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I am brand new to pennies/pink sheets and have followed the message boards for EYSM. What I am hearing makes sense like the company is actually making profit etc,but just now am reading the welcome and what to do,what NOT to do and am SLOWLY realizing I may be about to fund someone's vacation.Can someone look at EYSM who doesn't have money in it,preferably a seasoned trader,and confirm they think I'm a newbie sucker,or this is one of the very few possible real things???
You may be right - I rarely dig back on old news because I am generally a very short term bounce player and I am only concerned with why the stock is down at the moment. BTW, you should be using Pro for their Strategy Scanner tool - it is invaluable.
Thanks for your help. I'm going to fire up my Market Trader Pro software, to see if it provides me with older "news". First I have to dig up the old password I was given, about 6 months ago. Thanks for the tip, though. I should be using that software anyway, just for the L2 it provides........Just got your most recent post.......True. Maybe it's just me, and I'm "dreaming" that I used to be able to read way way back into a company's news........I believe the "big" explaination for the changes I see, are that perhaps the stocks affected USED to be listed on OTCBB, and have had a change to OTCQB status. Maybe that is considered to be a "clean wipe" of a stocks history, and a "new start". That's the only explaination I can come up with.......Thanks again for your help.
Yeah but even MT isn't showing news from a long time ago.
I realize now that you stated Market Trader, not Marketwatch. My wrong......I use Fidelity's software for my "viewing" normally. Perhaps I should "reload" my Market Trader software, and fire it up, to see the "difference" in the news that it provides, for each ticker. Understand though, Market Trader is a "trading" software, and is a bit different than what I was mentioning, about the "rest of the world", as far as say common ticker info websites, like Yahoo, Marketwatch, Google, IHUB, etc.......
Ok, I see what you are saying. If you want archive pr's they are not there from years ago. Post it on the Q&A board and see what the reason is.
Yes. Marketwatch, like Pinksheets, has the historical charts for each, but the historical news only goes back to Dec 2010. It is even "shorter", on Pinksheets, going back to only Jan 2011. But for example on Marketwatch, I notice there is no older historical news for even ANY stock, including midcaps, etc.. The problem with Marketwatch is they don't seem to hold the historical older news, for any stock, beyond a few months.....I do know that the historical news, for the four tickers I mentioned, USED to have older historical news, everywhere I used to look, dating back for several years worth, even here on IHUB. Perhaps it is mostly a problem with IHUBs historical news, on these stocks that were affected by the Rule 15 thing. I simply used to be able to rely on referring to IHUBs news, for a given ticker, and that info seems "purged". I could show you examples of tickers that still have hundreds of news releases, dating back to 2009, but these would all be ones that weren't on the Rule 15 lists. I guess bottom line is, I can't seem to find historical news, for say those four I mentioned, dating back to the stocks starting year, anywhere. I used to be able to do that, before the Ruling thing, and read about a stocks "history", all the way back to the 1990s if I wanted to. I imagine the only way to find "older" info, would be on some "achival" news storage website, which I haven't been able to find. Maybe the "news purged" Rule 15 tickers, is something that somebody like IHUBs Erwin or Matt, are fully aware of the situation. I can only guess this, and maybe it's something they aren't "concerned" about, or it's way too much bother, to replace all the missing news for these tickers, here on IHUB. Perhaps I should ask them, over on that board, just to see if they are "aware" of it.
Rich, I just plugged EBIG, IFRS, VIVK, PHIE into Market Trader and I was able to bring up past information including Price History, Charts, and News.
Hi, sorry for the delay, in getting back to you. I'm glad you at least say that you've seen some "blanked out" ones. Everywhere else that I mention this problem, it seems like I get no responses. As if either it's uninteresting, or just doesn't matter to most people. I find it kind of odd, that no one sees it as a little "strange". As I said, the previous long term chart info and historical news has "vanished", on many tickers affected by the Rule 15 thing. And I realize it was a change, that just affected the MMs associated with the stocks involved. It's weird on some, as there will only be news from 2007, or 2009, etc.....On most, the PPS chart seems to begin abruptly, as of the "correction" date, after the Rule 15 compliance happened for each. Here's a small list of some I own: EBIG, IFRS, VIVK, PHIE. I've also browsed several others, that were on the OTCBB Rule 15 list, that also got affected, similarly........I wish somebody had a sane answer, like "just add a .PK to the ticker", or some simple "getaround". I haven't found a cure yet. For some of the affected tickers, Pinksheets still shows the historical PPS chart correctly, but the news is gone. I also see the same effects, on other popular ticker research type websites. Anybody else out there have any "clues"?
I have had 2 instances that I recall where the company that I was a shareholder in got bought out.
1st company I had the share directly from the company and they sent me notice of an unconditional buyout soon followed by a check.
2nd company the shares were purchased through a discount broker so the shares were in trust and they contacted me with the details and of course addional fees for their addional paperwork.
These were my dealings and may not be anything like what you experience. If the company has a regular news outlet like a website that might help to obtain information.
Glta
Pwise thanks for your help. Just one other question if an investor lacks the nohow if this was to come about could he get left behind holding the bag for not cashing on time because it always seems from reading some boards that people are hoping for buyouts for the smaller companies. Thanks.
However you obtained the shares should eventually contact you. It would probably be best to give them a call just to be sure.
No 2 buyouts are the same so any definitive answer you get here would be a pure guess.
Glta
Question When u r a common stock share holder & a company gets bought out & you r holding say at .04 & company buys at .10 per share What process I mean like redeeming your cash or do u have to hold through the buy out & how does the common share holder benefit from this. Thanks in advance.
I don't have my trading platform open right now - didn't see your post until now. Tomorrow throw me a few tickers. I am curious to see if I have that information or not. I do know what you are talking about though. I have seen some "blanked out" info on a few tickers too.
I think that right now reverse mergers seem to be the flavor of the past few months. A few years ago they did nothing. They are popular plays right now with the pennies. A lot of the low volume ones are low because they are shells and no one is trading them. Once a filing comes out that indicates a possible merger it sparks interest.
They just issue more shares to the current os. If they issue more shares you still have to subtract the amount of restricted shares from the os to get the float(all the shares that can be bought and sold by the public ). So if the os is increased, the float goes up.
well how can they increase the outstanding shares since the outstanding shares are ones own by investors right??..so if they issue more it would raise the float bc these are the shares available for purchase right??..confusing myself now..lol
All righty then......I'm getting a little frustrated, trying to find historical news and charting, for several of my held stocks, that were "hit" by the SEC rule 15 thing recently. It seems like past info has just been wiped out, everywhere I look. I've tried a bunch of the more common stock charting and news websites, but all seem similarly purged of previous info. Even here on IHUB, news for such stocks, is gone. Here, and on some sites, I may find bits and pieces of old news, sometimes several years old, but nowhere can I find news listed for many years up to current. Charts seem to lack the same, as if the stock only started existence, from the Rule 15 fix onwards. Does anyone have a good website, for stored news and charts, for these "injured" stocks? Thanks in advance.
Are revers merger news always a good sign? What if the company has low volume>100,000 and a R/M was announced?
That is when a company issues shares to raise money. By doing this, the outstanding increases. This is generally not a good thing. The larger the outstanding the more difficult it is for the price to increase - dilution devalues the share price. Penny stocks are known for it. Some are repeat offenders until the outstanding becomes so large that they have to reverse split the shares.
A reduction in earnings per share of common stock that occurs through the issuance of additional shares or the conversion of convertible securities.
http://www.investopedia.com/terms/d/dilution.asp
what is dilution
Not sure about MS. I'll let you know after I figure out my around this site as well...
A way of saying what they really want to say, without actually saying it.
Interesting, never knew he coined that phrase. Then there is the famous answer to the question "how did you make your millions" and the answer of "i always sold too soon" has been penned to a number of different people - I don't think anyone really knows who said it first!
Ah, thank you!
It means run for the hills...
In all seriousness, however, it's a hyperbole type of statement- someone is stating that the pps will appreciate 20 to 40 times what it is presently at... and we all know that's most likely not going to happen. You 99 times out of 100 will see that statement coming from someone(s) pumping a particular stock. Not that it hasn't happened (over time) but it's usually thrown out in a statement like: "Better get in XYZ#.PK right now... easy 20 bagger"
What does "it could be a 20-40 bagger" mean? I read that term everywhere now
Ah ha! There we go. Makes sense! Thanks for posting that Dave. I don't use that tool so I have never seen it.
I never use ihub's time and sales but my guess would be it is some glitch in their system. I have seen after hour trades where there are a lot of T trades below the current ask, but in this scenario, with a price difference of .001 vs 1.00? That sounds like some technical issue.
cool, the funny thing is a few hours later, the trades reset and the .0001 trades disappear, just a computer glitch( unless your trading a .000 stock, then the A/H trades are DILUTION ,LOL)
enjoy your weekend
thank you for that answer, I was going nuts trying to figure out why it was doing that because it was only happening to 1 stock in my portfolio!! I will be able to sleep/study this weekend now!
thats the i-hub trades thats shows .0001 on most stocks after 8pm,
it takes the last a/h trade and then shows 15 or 20 more trades @ .0001, must be a default computer glitch, not actual trades
i see it everyday on $1 stocks and $20 stocks
I didn't see them on any other sites... but it was on IHub two days in a row, first day 16-19 blocks of 2,500 shares @ .001 when MP was around $1 and the second day 19 blocks of 1,000 shares @ .001 when MP was around $1. This 2/9 and 2/10. That isn't happening today. Any idea where they could of come from or what type of trade it was?
They weren't listed on the pre/after-market on the nasdaq either
Did anyone else see them on any other legitimate feed? If not,
then I wouldn't concern yourself.
It was on the IHub stock streamer last night for about 19 trades of 1,000 shares @ .001 and the night before of 19 trades of 2,500 @ .001. I have no idea where they came from... I will keep an eye on the streamer tonight... I should of taken a screen shot since it was due to refresh in the morning. I just have no idea where they were coming from, I did all types of research and couldn't find anything. They weren't listed on the pre/after-market on the nasdaq either
i cannot see what you are reporting you saw - my tape does not show that
from what I have seen with these pennies it looks like it does most of its moving up during the speculation period
I have a question... I am not getting any answers on my other boards so I thought I would ask people here since this board is very active... I was looking at the ONSM quote and specifically the trades section (http://ih.advfn.com/p.php?pid=trades&symbol=ONSM) yesterday there were 47,500 shares sold at .001 after the close of the market and today it looks like there is almost 20,000 sold @ .001... Can anyone explain this to me? Where are these shares coming from and how come they aren't included in the volume for the day and basically can't be found anywhere else?? I would much appreciate an answer because this is boggling my mind when I should be studying!!!!
Does the pps of a stock typically go up more when a merger agreement is announced or when it actually closes? If it goes
up more after closing, is it usually significantly more,or is
it impossible to predict?
yeah it is possible - depending on the price of the stock and the volume it does - but I wouldn't recommend doing that lol
Is it possible to buy $50000 worth shares in pinkie land based on momo and sale fast with profit? TIA
very helpful, thanks!
I think when you see a small amount of T trades it is just previously unrecorded trades. But if you see a slew of T trades coming in after the bell it could very well be dilution. I can't recall the ticker but there was one recently that went up during the day and then after the bell there were loads and loads of prints under the current ask. I never saw so many late prints. The next day it opened up with a few upticks from the previous close (before the t trades) but then it plummeted hugely after the first few prints.
Yes, perfect. Is there a connection between T trades and dilution/short trades to cover?
TIA
Form T? Are you talking about T trades? T trades are late posted trades. They could be trades that went through during the trading hours but weren't posted.
Q102.4: If a trade is not reported within the time period prescribed by the trade reporting rules, must it still be reported?
A102.4: Yes. If a trade is not reported within the time period prescribed by the trade reporting rules (e.g., within 30 seconds of execution), it must be reported as soon as practicable and shall be designated as late. Trades that are required to be reported on trade date, but are not reported on trade date, must be reported on an "as/of" basis on a subsequent date (T+N) and shall be designated as late. Trades that are required to be reported on an "as/of" basis the following business day (T+1) (e.g., certain trades executed outside normal market hours), but are not reported on T+1, must be reported on a subsequent date (T+N) and shall be designated as late. See Rules 6282(a), 6380A(a), 6380B(a) and 6622(a).
http://www.finra.org/Industry/Regulation/Guidance/p038942#101
Go here for FINRA Trade Reporting Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ):
http://www.finra.org/Industry/Regulation/Guidance/p038942
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