Greenshift Corporation (GERS)

[DHOLE]

For the Record, my sequence of Stats are from Scottrade:
"Market
Comparison P/E (TTM) "P/E (Forward 12 Months) PEG 1 Year EPS
Growth Rate 5 Year EPS Growth Rate
GERS
Greenshift Corp 0.2 -- -- 109.96% (1 Year EPS Growth 109,96%)Chemical Manufacturing
Industry 14.9 14.6 1.5 22.74% 20.96%
Basic Materials
Sector 16.8 11.9 1.6 10.84% 12.43%
S&P 500 14.5 14.6 8.7 11.10% 10.09%

[DHOLE]

Maybe some of you can excuse my error. I have been on vacation, you know. Friday, the 11th! Sunday, the 13th!

EDIT: Bush's Fault!

[DHOLE]

I join in Congratulating all you Mothers! You all own; or claim to own, Stock that went up 18.18% on Friday. Anyone have a stock that bested that increase? (I thought Not!) GERS Rules!! And on Friday the Thirteenth!!

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5/13/2012 6:22 PM ET

[nobody12378]

Thank you.

[totaltruth]

HAPPY MOTHERS DAY TO ALL MOMS !

[totaltruth]

I would speculate there maybe many different factors as ethanol is not a very profitable business. Possibly a time factor for some realizing they have to get revenues up fast or fail. Some may have credit issues. Greenshift is not as well staffed as icm. They might all want greenshifts products but are unable to afford it or unable to wait. I even speculate that greenshift may tell some go ahead and license with us and let icm install a unit and when we can get to you we will come out and upgrade your system for a discount. Idk there's a lot one could speculate there. But I think the important thing is they licensed with us. So that's a plus.

[nycdream]

I know they r licensed with us but our system would make them more money so why install a system that is inferior.

I can't wait until we win this case

[totaltruth]

I posted this early yesterday but here is a link to thie biof 10q where it shows they licensed patented technology with greenshift. Look on page 28 and page 31 this is where they talk about it. Here's you a link.

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1373670/000114420412027734/v311843_10q.htm

[nycdream]

I believe they don't use our system. No wonder they need additives. Slash why are these plants using less superior systems vs our state of art systems with bigger yields?

[raven1pa]

giz what is your estimation on the pps with gers in the next 90 days?thanks in advance.

[gripzool]

You are doing a awesome job Slashnuts, kuddos EOM

[Tadaaa]

Yup, the final two trades of 2500 shares each, did it.....Congrats and GLTA !

[gripzool]

Yummy, yummy I got love in my tummy.



Right now I want GERS to wait till after the SHM off CVM
She could have a nice catapult out of the saucer.
Or just another cup of tea.

[gripzool]

It's always accounted. Not always visible.

[nobody12378]

Would such transactions be reported on the OTCBB Time and Sales monitor?

[gripzool]

Just remember OTC = Over The Counter

Means if you call KK and want to invest let's say $ 1.000.000 for a 10% discount and 1 year lock up, you would be facilitated.

[totaltruth]

GREEN GREEN GREEN GREEN GREEN GREEN GREEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jimmowrey]

Green

[Investaholic33]

Woo! Closed green for the week.

[nobody12378]

Your observation could be important. I am not very knowledgeable about MMs or SEC requirements. But could these other trades represent placements outside the market that are then tallied as sells? Some of the market gurus here help us out please.

[vineyardstock]

I had a 7500 .054 AON bid in since this AM, yet 15K was sold for .051? My bid was greater, why was a lower sell made?

[nobody12378]

It is time to call this real isn't it? Another 65,000 afternoon dilution dump. Speculations for the reasons? Why are the signature 17,000 and 33,000 share trades always included?



$0.0543 17,000 OBB 15:05:03
$0.0543 33,000 OBB 15:04:46
$0.0510 15,000 OBB 15:04:10

[nycdream]

It would be nice if we can get the pps moving north before the 10q comes

[nobody12378]

Are you figuratively speaking when you state that an OS count of 25 million would not represent dilution?

[vineyardstock]

Does PEIX have a relationship with ICM, hopefully not. It seems many of the ethanol companies which have made the poor choice of using ICMs infringing systems for corn oil extraction have a strong link, via ownership and previous equipment sales to ICM. I hope PEIX makes the right choice.

[gripzool]

"I think a lot of them are having to buy the shares because the pps is putting up a heck of a fight staying where it is."

Then why would you in heavens name buy back? And on top off that incur extra trading cost to resell again? and then again sell shares to cover? huh?
(profitable short positions generates interest income besides the trading profit and extra trading margin)

"So then once they have bought the shares they take another short posistion and try to sell their shares cheap to try to cover their new position"

let me get this clear.

1) existing profitable short position is closed
2) sell again, thus creating new short position
3) sell again to cover?

[totaltruth]

I don't know that dilution is or isn't taking place. My theory is this there's a lot of shorting happenning and I think a lot of them are having to buy the shares because the pps is putting up a heck of a fight staying where it is. So then once they have bought the shares they take another short posistion and try to sell their shares cheap to try to cover their new position. I think this is happening on a daily basis and creating the illusion of dilution.

[BillV]

Shorting would be stupid right now if it wasn't for dilution. I would assume that no one is selling at a nickel, so the only way for a short to cover their position is to buy the new shares added by dilution. If dilution stopped, shorties would be screwed.

Someone told us that dilution didn't matter.

[Investaholic33]

Looking forward to that 10Q1.

It'd be nice if it comes out today, but I'm expecting it to be next week.

[gripzool]

That's a whole lot of noise you make for $ 600

hihi

[raven1pa]

fyi picked up 10k in seconds.eom

[jimmowrey]

How does one determine how long the injunction will be in place, considering appeals? If litigation runs two years for 30 companies plus ICM, GEA Westfalia, and Flottweg I would guess that the number would be very substantial.

The good news is that wherever the money is going, it should be disclosed in the next filing. The last few filings have been on time, I would not be surprised if the next one is on time as well.

[nobody12378]

Jim,

Let's take Freedom's estimate of the total potential damages for the bond to cover of $4 to 5 million. Remember, this estimate is just to cover potential damages for the time the injunction is in place. Let's multiply the larger number by 10 to get $50 million. This figure is approaching the number that GERS may receive for all damages over many years so it is certainly large enough to cover the bond amount. The premium would be, for this hugely inflated number, $1 million per year paid in quarters or $250,000 per quarter. This is not chump change but the real premium amount is likely much smaller. (If Freedom is stating that the premium for the bond is up to $5 million that would mean the bond amount would be a quarter of a billion dollars -- that's not reasonable).

Therefore, the quandary I have been trying to alert people to: either GERS revenues are not what we think them to be or the revenues are going elsewhere. If the revenues were any where near our expectation the money for the bond would not be an issue. Clearly, GERS is not using the increased revenue, if it is coming in, to pay YAGI. So we are left with an interesting quandary -- one far more interesting than arguing about the level of dilution when we will know that number by the end of the month, and when the number itself is not that important; understanding the reason why it is occurring is important. I think that the conundrum is inescapable -- something we have no knowledge of is going on, it could be good, bad, or indifferent. The fact that KK acknowledged that it will occur doesn't change the fact that things do not make sense and there is something important going on and we have no clue what it is.

So, when the afternoon dilution dump of 50,000 - 80,000+ shares occurs today give some thought to the what the REAL meaning of these trades are.

[totaltruth]

This is from the biof 10q I like where it talks about the increase of 5.2mil in co-product revenues being attributed to corn oil extraction.

They are just starting up I'm sure throughout the year the corn oil revenues will increase massively as they fine tune the equipment just like many other custommers!

This is from page 28
During 2011, the Company began installing corn oil extraction systems at each of its ethanol plants so that it could begin producing non-food grade corn oil as an additional co-product. These systems were installed using certain patented technology we have licensed from Greenshift Corporation for which we pay a royalty. On October 28, 2011, the Company’s Operating Subsidiaries began receiving funding under an operating lease each operating Subsidiary entered into with Farnam Street Financial, Inc. These operating leases provided the funding to pay for most of the costs of installing the corn oil extraction systems at each Operating Subsidiary. The installation in Wood River was completed in December 2011 and the installation in Fairmont was completed in January 2012. Both Operating Subsidiaries began generating revenues from corn oil sales early in the first quarter of 2012. 2

This is from page 31
The following table sets forth key operational data for the three months ended March 31, 2012 and March 31, 2011 that we believe are important indicators of our results of operations: Three Months Ended March 31, 2012 2011 Ethanol sold (gallons, in thousands) 51,971 56,658 Dry distillers grains sold (tons, in thousands) 54.0 95.8 Wet distillers grains sold (tons, in thousands) 251.4 148.7 Corn oil sold (pounds, in thousands) 6,842 —Corn Ground (bushels, in thousands) 18,856 20,340 Three Months Ended March 31, 2012 Compared to the Three Months Ended March 31, 2011 Net Sales: Net Sales were $139.4 million for the three months ended March 31, 2012 compared to $158.0 million for the three months ended March 31, 2011, a decrease of $18.6 million or 11.8%. This decrease was primarily attributable to a decrease in ethanol revenues of $23.8 million which was offset by an increase in coproduct revenues of $5.2 million. The decrease in ethanol revenue was attributable to both a decrease in the per unit price we received for ethanol, reflecting decreases in market prices compared to the year ago period, and a decrease in the quantity of ethanol produced and sold. Lower ethanol production as compared to the prior year resulted primarily from reduced grind rates due to a tightened corn supply in the first three months of 2012. The increase in coproduct revenue was primarily attributable to the commencement of corn oil extraction at both of our plants in the first quarter of 2012, in addition to receiving a higher per unit price for our distillers grains for the three months ended March 31, 2012 as compared to the year ago period.


Here is your link to read it for yourself as I know copy and paste on my phone tends to run things together.

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1373670/000114420412027734/v311843_10q.htm

[iggyman555]

sounds good to me!

[Petalman]

Q1 will reflect between 8 - 9 million dollars in revenue. YAGI is deluting 50,000 shares daily to pick up $2500 - $3000. Injunctions are right around the corner. At least 30 - 40% will settle soon after.

[jimmowrey]

5,880,199 shares have traded since April 2, 2012. This number includes today's trades. GLTA

[jimmowrey]

Nobody, it does not matter to me if you work for ICM or not, I expect not. We agree on the percentage of the bond, but I think you are grossly underestimating the financial impact of the preliminary injunction on putting several businesses on hold for a couple of years. Also, it is the only explanation for the continued dilution, even at a slower pace, that I can think of.

[totaltruth]

I don't really think there has been any dilution. But if there has been some those numbers are the max I think that there would be its a far cry from the 27mil you are projecting.

[nobody12378]

Hey Buddy,

You are the one who said 25 million, that's 9% in six weeks, or 75% in a year. So don't blow a smoke screen here with your "links" you may not be reading correctly; wait until the Q1 is out. Huffing and puffing until then is simply a waste of hot air.

[totaltruth]

They shorted 88k shares yesterday that's 45% of what was traded! And we was being told someone would have to be crazy to short the shares at this time! That's almost half of all shares traded yesterday. Todays report hasn't came out yet so I don't know what todays will be like. Here's the links if anyone doesn't have them.

http://otcshortreport.com/gers

http://www.shortvolume.com/

And even though we haven't heard a lot about dilution since the theory of 27mil was obviously wrong here the link on aprils volume again.

http://www.otcbb.com/asp/tradeact_mv.asp?Issue=gers&searchby=issue&sortby=volume&Month=4-1-2012&view.x=46&view.y=9&downloadname=mv201204.exe

[Slashnuts]

ANDE: "Corn Oil A Great Addition, Very Pleased"

Highlights from the ANDE Q112 CC...

4:30 "Reviewing additional expansion and acquisition opportunities."

6:10 "Corn plantings progress well ahead of averages. 71% is planted compared to 32% last year and the 47% 5 year average."

7:10 "The plants investments in corn oil, E-85, and Co2, have produced profitable coproducts that provide income even when the ethanol margins are not positive."

18:26 "We are pleased the ethanol group has remained profitable in the current ethanol margin environment as they continue to provide services for a fee and to sell coproducts such as DDG's, corn oil, E-85, and CO2."


Question and Answer Session

Question 22:50
"On corn oil, we've heard from a number of protein producers that taking out the corn oil has made it so that they're forced into using DDG's at a lower level than they have previously. Just wondering your thoughts on that and does the economics of corn oil more than offset potentially lower prices of DDG's as livestock producers use it less?"

Answer 22:18
"There are a number of different users of DDG's some of which are not impacted at all by the change in the corn oil extraction. 2nd, there are certain available fats that are more able to be controlled in the ingredients of the feed so there are some processors that actually like it extracted, they can control it a bit better with some other fat content. To answer the rest of your question we have not seen a decrease in DDG prices this year after we extracted the corn oil. So We've gone through all these different senerios and tested this with different end users and as of now this year our DDG prices are actually slightly higher than last year."

Question 27:50
"How much corn oil extraction has been implimented? Is it in your new facility yet and if not when do you think you'll put that in?"

Answer 28:00
"Corn oil is in place and operating at all three facilities and working fairly well. So we're very pleased with that it's been a great addition. Oh, I'm sorry, all four yes, Denison has a corn oil system as well that was already in place at the time of purchase so all four, yes."

Question 28:22
"Are you selling that corn in the spot market or are you hedging it forward?"

Answer 28:28
"The corn oil?
"Unh hunh"
"We've done some of both. We have a variety of interested parties in an off-take some of it to hedge some to sell forward, there's a variety of methods we use to do the best we can to lock in margins."


ANDE Q112 CC Link...
http://edge.media-server.com/m/p/7x8disdp/lan/en

The Andersons Oil Extraction Surged 435% YOY!


ANDE shipped 9.1 million pounds of corn oil in Q112 compared to 1.7 million in Q111. It's nice to see one of our largest customers ramping up while infringers still struggle with faulty/knock-off equipment from ICM.

"Our Ethanol business holds investments in the three ethanol production facilities. The business also offers facility operations, risk management, and ethanol, corn oil and distillers dried grains (“DDG”) marketing to the ethanol plants it operates as well as third parties."

"Corn oil pounds shipped for the quarters ended March 31, 2012 and 2011 were 9.1 million and 1.7 million, respectively. E-85 gallons shipped for the quarters ended March 31, 2012 and 2011 were 4.1 million and 2.9 million, respectively."

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/821026/000119312512222155/d322568d10q.htm


Good Luck To All!$!$!$!$

[StockLearner2011]

LOL...hope your dream will be true. Bill Gate or Trump's worshipper

[totaltruth]

I don't want to disclose an exact dollar amount but let's just say when gers hits $1 I will be what you consider rich. When it hits 10$ I 'll have a good start on becoming. What I consider rich but still a ways to go. I would like to have bill gates's money or I'm not picky illl settle for donald trumps money lol!

[StockLearner2011]

totaltruth, I saw the "RICH" word from many of your posts. How many money are you planning on making from GERS stock would make you rich? RICH is a big word and I wouldn't call anybody rich unless they are multi-millionaries

[nobody12378]

You are getting caught up in the mantra, "anything Nobody says is bogus because he works for ICM".


The way to handle this is by contacting a bonding company at the outset. The bonding company will charge a premium for a bond. The bond is typically like an insurance policy in which it charges a percentage such as 1% or 2% on the face value of the bond for each period of one year. A premium of one year is collected with the bond. Depending upon the financial statement of your client, a bond may or may not be written on signature. This generally means that your client will have to often complete a financial statement showing its ability to respond to damages in the event that the Court forecloses on the amount of the bond which turns out to be improvidently granted. Although your client may be reluctant to do so, it is important for it to have early communication with the bonding company so that the bond can be written immediately after the preliminary injunction is ordered. If your client happens to be a very large company, the bonding company may be satisfied without a necessity of formal paper work, but that may not be true for smaller companies and individuals and in some situations, the bonding company may not even agree to bond the company except on deposit of actual funds, CDs, or other marketable securities.

The deposit referenced here is the premium for the bond NOT the cost of the bond.

Written by an experienced intellectual property attorney on the West Coast.

http://www.supnik.com/inj.htm

[totaltruth]

Welcome back petalman and nice job! Revenues look sweet! Can I say it ? Can I? Can I please? You know. We are gonna be rich! Whoo hoo! Petal how do you like your steak done? Remeber its gonna be served with lobster! Along with all the domestic and imported beer you can drink! But I don't recommend driving your Ferrari that day, you might want to have a limo on standby.

[nobody12378]

I know that, but that wasn't the context of the interaction. A poster was asking about the trading symbol because he could not find "GERS" after the R/S. I told him it was "GERSD" and provided a link to a post where I stated that was going to happen before the R/S. His response was that KK stated in the Def14K that there was not going to be a symbol change. Technically the poster was correct as I was.

Oh, look our little afternoon dilution snack, surprised?.


$0.0512 17,000 OBB 14:16:15

$0.0512 33,000 OBB 14:15:55

[totaltruth]

Here's what I do best!( Analyze and speculate) there's a lot going on right now in the ethanol industry and it doesn't take a genuis to read between the lines. But if you put all thes articles together you begin to see a big picture of huge revenues coming this year!

10 M A Y , 2 0 1 2 Brazil’s $2 Billion Cane Revival Plan Fails Brazil’s 4 billion-real ($2.1 billion) drive to revive sugar-cane production has faltered as government bureaucracy and a curb on foreign loans choked credit needed to finance planting. Cane refiners, who also grow the crop, couldn’t complete paperwork in time to qualify for loans from the state development bank known as BNDES before the main planting season ended last month, said Maurilio Biagi Filho, president of the ethanol producer Grupo Maubisa. In March, the government imposed a tax on overseas borrowing to stifle capital inflows that are boosting the currency.

See the rest of the article here
http://www.sugarinds.com/2012/05/brazils-2-billion-cane-revival-plan.html?m=1

Next ethanol production in the US is up.

The May 10, 2012 US ethanol production rising: DOE In Washington, the DOE says that ethanol production has returned to levels not seen in the past two months, with last week’s production reaching 897,000 barrels a day.

See the article here

http://www.biofuelsdigest.com/

USDA predicts record US corn harvest this summer!

See article here.

http://m.ajc.com/business/usda-predicts-record-us-1435157.html

If you put all these together it easy to see the United States is poised for record ethanol sales and corn oil production especially with a lot of facillities expanding and adding technologies like the tornado generator. And taking all that into consideration don't forget about E15 being approved. Could be gold paved highway in the near future!

[jimmowrey]

The only one that I think you were blowing hot air about, was this one.

6) The trading symbol was going to be GERSD while KK said that it would not change

The company did not change their trading symbol. The letter D is added during the R/S transition. That will happen to any company that trades publicly and then R/S. I have been in a stock that did an R/S and changed the ticker symbol, and the entire direction of the company, went from Algae farming to Home health care. KK did not mislead in this case.