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So, will version 22H2 still get updates? I can't upgrade to 11 - system isn't compatible but I do have version 22H2.
In case anyone is having issues with windows 10 updates. The below is found on ms site. The part that sucks is ms doesn't bother to put even a note on your settings>update page in simple english, just leaves the the standard rote of 'something didn't download, we'll try again later'. Since I always delay everything and even try to disable updates, I figured it was something I did. Hope this helps someone. The thing to do if you don't want 11 yet is to download Windows 10, version 22H2. Guess that's what I'm doing shortly.
12/13/22
REMINDER All editions of Windows 10, version 21H1 are at end of service on December 13, 2022. After this December 13, 2022 update, these devices will not receive monthly security and quality updates. These updates contain protections from the latest security threats. To continue receiving security and quality updates, we recommend that you update to the latest version of Windows.
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/december-13-2022-kb5021233-os-builds-19042-2364-19043-2364-19044-2364-and-19045-2364-44e774aa-60c4-4e38-b7e7-c886d210db3b
Problem solved. When "lockscreen" for logging on to Microsoft account opened, just as a wild (clueless) act. I right clicked onto the bottom left corner of screen and my "local account" ID popped up. clicking on it brought up another window with ID and password request. Once this info. was provided my local account became active.
So happy. Thank you Jesus. Nice Christmas present.
Likewise. Have not been active Ihuber this year, however, Windows 11 drove me here. My desktop seems iffy now. Bought a new HP laptop with lots of bells and whistles.... and W-11. And with 3 windows 11 books, still can't get set up completely. Right now am trying to get "local accounts" to work. Forms seem to be filled correctly (like 3 security questions}. No notices of "error, go back", etc. But cannot not pull it up to use it. lol.
ANY HELP would be welcomed and appreciated, thank you mucho.
Thx ChannelTrader,
The thread does seem to relate to my issue, at least in that other people have had Sleep mode not staying asleep (dating back years ago). The suggestions offered did not fix the issue for me.
It's a virus I tell you ... and Microsoft has been a major "Typhoid Mary" spreader of the sickness.
In my opinion the big problem is our acceptance and adoption of a failed digital technology that has not been mastered. The fact that computers don't always operate exactly the same way that they did the last time they were used is telling to me. The fact that they must be turned OFF then turned back ON to correct things that inexplicably go wrong is just one consequence of the good but imperfect systems that are being used to control just about everything today...
I found this in a search...maybe it will help you.
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/pc-wakes-itself-seconds-after-turned-in-sleep-mode/2b2e54df-a98b-4d9a-b0a8-3ea6afe31ccc
Issue #2 - Not solved after all ...
My machine is back to Sleep mode not staying asleep for more than a couple seconds.
Although I temporarily "fixed" it yesterday by changing the Power Options, it seems Windows
has a mind of it's own and reset something for it's own purposes.
Issue #2 - solved . . . .
Please help...2 computers...2 OS...2 how-do-I questions
1) Win 10 ... can I turn off the sign in screen? (This might be called the Lock screen?)
I'd like the machine to start-up after pressing the power button without having
to type in my pin (my 2 Win 7 machines are set up this way)
2) Win 7 ... Are there "timer" adjustments to Sleep mode so it remains asleep?
For the past month or so when I select Start/Sleep it will go to sleep but restarts itself after
a few seconds...It used to stay in Sleep mode until I pressed the left mouse button or any key.
Note that I have not made changes to the Win 7 machine (that I know of) but it seems I've often seen issues after Automatic Restore Points are created or Windows Update downloads Critical Updates.
So I deleted Avast on all three computers and am now using Defender. Here is what happened. The two laptops powered up within three minutes vs 8-10 previously. The desktop had no change in how long it takes, but I am hard wired on that one. But from temporarily disabling the wifi on the first laptop it threw something off where every time I turned the power on there would be no internet and I would manually have to turn it on. Then it got so bad that the internet kept turning off seconds after I reconnected it.
I spent hours troubleshooting. Unchecking power management on the adapter settings, updating drivers, resetting connections, running trouble shooters, deleting drivers and reinstalling, re inputting router password. You name it, I did it. Read about every article on the internet about what to do. Then I realized that I only use this one computer to view things - I don't use it anywhere else so I decided to hard-wire it to the router and it instantaneously fixed the wifi problem. BUT, now that it is hardwired it is taking long to boot.
So my guess is that there were two issues here that were causing the long boot ups. One was Avast and the other is the router.
I'm done trying to troubleshoot the wireless connection - I don't mind using hard wire for this computer. What I will do is unplug it at boot up and then plug it in to get wifi after everything loads.
Thanks. You always liked rockin the equipment. Although I have win 10 home, yeah I know.
On #1. Do you use a wireless mouse? Even if not, it sounds like you have a 'wake on' whatever checked. Try and find all your device settings, even the nvidia and see if any 'save battery power' or USB device turn on blah blah. Sometimes if these are set, windows will not turn off because of the flag.The network card has 'wake on lan' which probably should never be on anyhow, but a sliim chance of tripping up win.
As well as display settings console. I seem to remember something there...
I see this on my win10 settings...
Settings>
Power and sleep>
Additional power settings>
change plan setttings>
Change advanced power settings> ... A separate window pops up with a full list of devices using power/sleep.
If you've been here, make sure to look again at each item. I have high performance. The balanced is supposedly for laptops and such.
Oh and even more super basic, I think there is still settings even in new bios's (if they're called that any more) that also has sleep and battery settings. The bios is still the thing that comes up first but windows is supposed to recognize and renumerate those basic things during the hand over but sometimes ... not.
2. Another stab at the ether. Do you use firefox? Almost doesn't matter now which browser, but the top, what, three? They all load extra instances of themselves, supposedly to give us faster browsing, but also to be more protective of crashing and I guess security.
Do a three finger salute to task manager and see how many processes your browser is using. Usually under 'apps' and below under background processes. My firefox eats plenty of memory and firefox is still not releasing memory like it's supposed to. Even closing it out. While you're in TM, look down that list and see if you don't recognize something that is for sure not MS. There's really nothing you can do about shutting down a service in TM if it is a service host. Those are usually protected and will complain you will explode your computer into a billion pieces if you try.
I like a program called Sysinternals Suite, https://www.techspot.com/downloads/4680-sysinternals-suite.html. It's got boatloads of programs. All safe, probably all from MS.
It has more than a few that will show whats running. Can really get your geek on with this suite. I've had that program since it was independent and I think MS bought them out.
Also on #2. Windows update has some processes which I think are still not rectified like update module loader or whatever. It uses memory and processor power and just spins.
I see my drive light go solid for a few seconds, I bring up MT and end the task. I do not like update running all the time. It's been in the last three or four updates plus a major one that people have been reporting issues with updates. Just an idea to throw at you.
GL.
Excellent post and great advice.
I have an odd situation or two with my #2 PC:
Assuming you can help or want to, here goes:
Specs: W. 11 Pro, Ryzen 7 3700x, Gig X470 mb (their best, at that ttime) 32 gb (2x16) of G.Skill B-die 3200 speed mem, 2 NVMe drives, a couple attached HDD's and SSD's..... GTX 1070 GPU.
Issues---
1. even though the pwr settings are (supposedly) corrrect, it doesn't go to sleep when it is set to, (prolly 15 minutes) so I have to manually pit it to sleep or to hibernate.
2. The used memory doesn't self clean as it should. Inside of a few hours of even simple use like web surfing, as little as 3 gb of the 32 gb of mem remains unused. I have the page file amount set plenty high, so that's not it. This is odd, have never had it before. Can't find the culprit, using the several methods I know. Sort of rebooting, I used system mechanic to recover the used memory.. and it can get the amount used down to about 3 gb. After that, even if a couple programs besides chrome are running, the PC hums smoothly.. for a few hours....
The ONT is simply the device that converts the fiber signal to ethernet cable and to the router.. I now have ziply fiber, which is similar to Vz Fios. It has no effect on the signal that your PC's receive. I love the 500 up/500 down speed, especially at $55/m and may go to 1 gb 1 gb for $10/mo more.
Defender is all I use, across 2 laptops and 3 PC's, some running W 10, some W 11. Nothing gets past it. Inobtrusive and works in the background.
I do proactively control what loads at startup.
Mind you, I'm running machines with 16-64 gb of ram, and up to Ryzen 9, 16 core, 32 thread CPU's. All boot drives are fast NVMe SSD's.
Ok, so I uninstalled Avast on my laptop that has hardly anything on it and I only use it for watching level II on two screens - no internet browsing on it.
Now protected by Defender - checked to make sure it was on.
Restarted computer using Defender and it booted up in 8 minutes.
Turned internet off and restarted it and it booted in 6 minutes.
Decided to try a cold boot so I completely shut it down and powered it up again with no internet - booted in 2 minutes.
Then I turned internet back on and tried the cold boot with internet on and it booted in 2 minutes also.
So I am guessing that restarting takes longer than shutting it down completely and restarting. Two minutes to boot up is great and I am very happy. This tells me it was the Avast. I will have to try deleting Avast on my main desktop computer and see if the same results happen using Defender.
Hopefully this is the answer - fingers crossed and I thank all three of you for all the input!
thanks - it says that it goes off if you have another antivirus software and on if there is none - so I will try removing avast and see what happens
I'm an old school troubleshooter who breaks computer problems down in mechanical - operating systems - software. And your issue is compounded by three.
It started on all same time weeks ago?
Mechanical - all three are connected to the same router.
OS- all three are windows 10?
Software - all have been auto updated by MS
Software - all have avast installed.
Odds are MS update will break your 3rd party programs, not the 3rd party breaking MS.
I'm just going to finish with my ideas that you may try after looking at MS and other advice. How did the safe boot go?
The reason for disabling internet is so that you don't have to load or run defender, which you can disable but not it's basic processes from running - which is trying to run along with avast. MS is not friendly to 3rd party. Windows defender is now integral and almost non stoppable process in windows. Defender is also used with update.
In windows security > settings, you can disable windows firewall, virus, etc, but it doesn't stop numerous windows defender process from running in the background.
Windows did this to let people try 3rd party but runs bg processes anyways.
Knowing this, if worried about internet, don't be connected, pull the ethernet cable if you must to feel safe while troubleshooting.
Things to try.
Safe boot with 'no internet connection'. If it boots normal, shut down and safe boot again with internet enabled. If it again boots in safe mode properly with connections, it's not the router and is likely a windows/3rd party driver/software related. You are eliminating some mechanical from the mix.
Since you see your normal screens on all three after the long wait, it's not a graphics driver issue as I suggested before, unless in some one in a million glitch that effects all graphic cards... not likely at all.
It appears to be a windows driver problem between boot up and the time windows takes over. there are identical procedures and processes on any computer until windows enumerates or starts assigning addresses, hardware and recognizing each particular computer set up. On a single computer I can come up with a lot of different things it could be, but across three, that cuts a lot out. And deepens the mystery.
I'm still staying with MS defender/updates breaking avast, and since all three have had the same updates that's the way I'm leaning.
Again, it shouldn't hurt you to disconnect from the internet, uninstall avast totally and try booting up without the internet. If it comes up properly in that configuration, reset your internet connection, leave avast off and reboot. Windows will (if you didn't do anything in security settings of defender) will protect your system with MS firewall and defender. It should also turn on MS virus as well. If that reboot is all good, then it is avast and defender butting heads.
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/stay-protected-with-windows-security-2ae0363d-0ada-c064-8b56-6a39afb6a963
scroll down to the "important security info" paragraph
scroll down to the blue link "open Windows Security settings" to see what's going on or,
Start > Settings > Update & Security > Windows Security
All three computers have auto update. All three computers have Avast. All three computers use the same router. Those are the common denominators that I can think of. Should I try to completely delete Avast and use Defender instead on one of them? If so, how do I get Defender to work? I think Eli mentioned it is on the computer. How do I get it back because I don't see it on here.
but because it is happening on all of your pc's it has to be something common to all of them. There has been a lot of chatter lately about hackers gaining access to Internet routers If you're using the cable company modem/router, then that is probably not the issue though, as they utilize multiple firewalls.
That would make sense, but I have Verizon FIOS as my provider and the router is Verizon. I'm just thinking here. The only thing we got changed recently, and I don't know if all this happened around the same time was the ONT from Verizon. I don't even know what an ONT is but it's in the garage and we had the original one from years ago (we were one of the first FIOS customers in the country when it first came out). I'm going to have to ask my husband about this. He was a FIOS tech now retired.
I used to use CCleaner years ago. Don't have it anymore but this is clearly not an issue about caches and registry since it is happening on all three computers. But thanks - maybe I will download it just to have it.
I will agree to disagree with you on the registry cleanup. I've been doing it for a long time on my windows machines and haven't encountered an adverse operating condition in performing the cleanup. Have a great day!
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That all makes sense, but no one should ever let a 3rd party touch or clean the registry.
Even MS doesn't have a registry cleaner or checker and there's a reason for that.
A 3rd party program doesn't exist that can do any automotive type cleaning or adjustments of a window registry. Never a good idea to let any 3rd party program have authority to change any registry setting unless it's asks permission to install normal program paths.
Cintrix, if you're reading this there's another thing you can try. This would be specific to whatever computer you're on. Also, the advice for trying in safe mode is very good
It can't hurt you.
c:/ drive > users > (you)> AppDatta > Local > Temp > First make a copy of the Temp folder and paste it on the desktop, then delete the complete contents of the original folder. And reboot.
(''click in a spot inside the folder and CTRL+A then while highlighted hit DEL. This selects all for deletion.)
The reason for this is windows and 3rd party stuff a lot of do dads in this folder and if you have rebooted a couple of times it's pretty safe to clean out this folder. It's also the folder where some old exe files could be living.
You can move the copied files back in that folder if anything odd is happening, which I don't think will. If this cures something, then all three computers have the same thing perhaps in the temp folder. It's a long shot.
The deal here however is the same issue on three different computers. Did all three have the same updates done as well? Because if you have auto updates on all three, then if you had them all on on the same week whatever, they all got the same update. Have to find the common denominator.
Also, I think you need to completely uninstall avast on that laptop as 3rd party programs are horrible for cleaning up after themselves in the registry. You won't really have a pure test unless it's totally gone for a couple of reboots.
And again, it's just my advice, but I wouldn't do a reinstall of windows. You don't need to. It's like installing a new engine because your windshield washer doesn't squirt.
I use CCleaner on all of my Windows PC's. It does a great job of keeping all caches and the registry clean. I forgot to mention that those 2 issues could slow a pc down significantly over time - caches especially, but also the registry because after each Windows update it leaves a plethora of leftover junk in the registry. CCleaner also offers the ability to disable/delete startup items. I highly recommend this program to anyone running Windows machines. The free version works just as effectively as the paid version does.
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From past experience, a very slow boot-up could be hardware related (motherboard, memory, etc.) - but because it is happening on all of your pc's it has to be something common to all of them. There has been a lot of chatter lately about hackers gaining access to Internet routers. If you're using the cable company modem/router, then that is probably not the issue though, as they utilize multiple firewalls. If you're using your own modem, and/or router, then it would be worth checking into.
Another reason for very slow boot-up could be a trojan virus residing in the Master Boot Record (MBR). But, for that to happen on all of your pc's, they would've had to have a common denominator - something shared amongst all of them (e.g. flash drive, backup drive, networked together sharing resources, etc.). Also, if a cell phone is infected with a virus, and connect's to the computer, then the virus can migrate to the PC. MBR trojans can be difficult to eliminate, because they load before Windows, or antivirus software loads. Windows Antivirus has a scan setting that reboot's the PC and scans the hard drive before all of Windows loads - I would probably try that first. It may not be able to detect a MBR trojan though. To scan the MBR you would need to boot from USB or optical drive with a bootable virus scanner.
Without having "hand's on" the PC, I am only offering possibilities of what could be the issue(s). If you have a computer repair shop that you trust, you may want to just take one of them and see if they can figure it out.
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Be interesting to see how fast it boots in "safe mode"---if fast, then go into your startup tab on the task manager and start disabling stuff that starts on boot to see if some process is bogging you down...
Ditto here - Windows Defender is all that I use on my Windows machines.
I think I use Defender firewall but not sure. So I just changed the setting on Avast to "delay on startup" just to see if this thing booted up faster. NO CHANGE AT ALL. I guess it isn't the antivirus software after all. I thought because it is happening on three different computers that it had to be that. Well is there anyone else on this board also having very slow start ups lately in Win 10?
Thru the years I've used Avast, Avg, Panda, and maybe others I forgot---since Windows 10, I use Windows Defender (which is on your machines)---I have a laptop running Windows 10 and a desktop running Windows 11---Defender has worked just fine for me
That might be the safest at this time. Make sure you disable that network card before you uninstall avast because one of the first things these programs do is go to the internet and ask for your input.
Keep us updated on your progress.
No other virus software. Maybe I'll try it on my laptop first - disabling avast to see if it is the culprit. If it is, then what do I do? Just deal with it? I have to have anitvirus. I guess a new install might help too as you mentioned.
If you don't want to do any of that other stuff and thinking it may be avast, it may be a pain in the ass, but just uninstall avast completely to see if that does anything. You'll just have to go back to the website and download it again if you want it.
Also, is there any other virus stuff like mccaffe running?
It's the free version and it is updated.
Okay. Think about trying this. First, while you're still running your main computer, find network settings so you can just disable - that's only 'turn off' your internet connection, not uninstall. You would be just disabling the network card so that it doesn't start up at boot up, which I assume it does.
I can click a desktop icon of my network connection and select 'disable'. You can also try and find the icon on the right side of your taskbar that says 'internet connection',
right click it - select 'open network connections'. Then when settings opens, select 'change adapter options' > right click the icon that is your connected network, mine says
ethernet 3' and from the right click drop down menu, select 'disable'.
Then find and bring up your avast program console window, it should have a setting somewhere to set the program NOT to boot with windows. Find and select that.
Then power off the computer, and this time turn off the power after normal shut down. I have a power strip I turn off.
Then power up normally.
What this accomplishes is 1. You won't connect when you boot up and 2. avast should not be running.
You will know if the response is better. If no improvement and avast is indeed not running, it probably isn't that program.
Did you buy avast, or is it free? How old is it?
No new software and nothing new installed. All my drivers are updated. I am really beginning to think it may be a problem with the anti-virus - reason is because all three of my computers are having slow boot up problems and they all use Avast. I could change the setting on Avast not to turn on until after boot up but from what I read they tell you not to open any sites for a few minutes after booting up if you use this. That just defeats the whole purpose.
Hmmm. Here's a list of links to get started with, I would suggest reading them all first, grab a beer or coffee, and look for matching instructions which would most likely be safe to follow. The last link is a independent, but also has some info.
My advice, should you dare to consider, is DO NOT do a windows re-install. That almost never solves issues, only hides them momentarily. Also, do not waste time with any uboob vids promising to solve problems as 8 out of 10 are click bait and they only just re-show the last guys video. Much easier to copy the text from the websites, print it out to try stuff.
I have my own thoughts what's happening but looking at the microsoft site is probably much safer for you. Also, be aware that people who answer on microsoft aren't always the MS techs, but users as well trying to be helpful.
MS update is most certainly broken right now as there are at least 4 background services that won't release after doing their jobs. That is a memory problem with MS, not ours. Hopefully MS will correct these problems soon. I've always hated MS update.
Aside of update, I think you may have driver issues, maybe with your graphics.
Forgot to ask, did you install or add any new hardware, 3rd party software or new items like a soundbar or something before the problem surfaced? Any thing at all?
gl
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/windows-10-hangs-on-loading-screen-on-startup/f3c2e596-ce50-4a54-a03d-7b11da5bbfe3
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/insider/forum/all/windows-10-hangs-on-startup/75568c3b-5e32-467a-ac1d-72375abfdcdd
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/windows-10-freezes-on-startup/6387ff9c-1e8f-44ae-8a81-3edc89cc2644
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/windows-10-hangs-on-boot-up/a5526c9b-634a-4553-acff-de92804dab96
https://techcult.com/fix-windows-10-freezes-on-startup/
Ok so I tried that and the most recent update that I didn't have was KB5020030. Installed it and timed the reboot - started it at 9:09 and the Welcome screen finally went away at 9:21. I think it is getting worse. I am just leaving the computer on all week and only turning it off on weekends because I just can't be waiting this long to set things up in the morning. But I wanted to thank you for the suggestion.
There has been quite a lot of reports to MS about it's update programs messing up in the last two updates. There's a couple of background processes that have to do with win update services that aren't unloading it seems.
Since you allow updates, go to MS and look for the most recent updates and service updates.
MS has known about this issue and it's been happening since they revamped their update groups.
I'm thinking now that maybe Avast is causing the slow boot and found this which is interesting:
https://asapguide.com/stop-avast-startup/
Only problem is remembering not to start up any programs for a few minutes after boot. Not sure how that solves things. I could either leave it the way it is and wait a few minutes to boot, or I could change that Avast setting so that it is on delay but I am still waiting, right? Six of one half dozen of the other! lol
I really don't have that many apps running and it is happening on three different machines so they don't all even have the same apps. lol So I am guessing you are not experiencing this problem?
I'd have to look to see what apps are running
So I you saying that I should turn off all startup apps? This will make it boot faster?
It's the window clean to the left then type startup
What are startup apps? I just power up the computer and this happens. Not sure what apps you are referring to.
Have you tried the startup apps?
Anyone having really slow startups recently on Win10? This has been a problem for me for the past few months probably after an update - all three computers taking about 8-10 minutes to start up - the Welcome screen just sits there forever. I have tried all of these fixes and none work:
https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/windows-10-slow-boot-issues/
Thx Zorax,
I changed that setting from 100% to 125% and got the Taskbar font bigger and I can now at least read the Time & Date.
But it seems all title bars and menus got smaller...
Oh well, small sacrifices must be made to enjoy the advanced features provided by 10 over 7...
(I'll let you know when I find any I use***)
***Although it's cool that multi-monitor users can have different sizes/settings applied to different screens without changing their resolution sizes, I think that it's a consequence of some other design changes in Win 10 rather than an intentional included feature.
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Please tell us all the info you have regarding your problem such as operating system, what you were doing when the problem occurred, etc. If you tell us the brand and model number of your computer it will help tremendously in finding the answer. We do not claim to be experts but we'll try to help.
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The most common problem is malware of some sort. I am using this term to include rogue downloads, popups, and spyware. There are many legitimate programs to help you manage these problems. The effectiveness of these programs changes all the time so the list will change also. Currently, the best site I've seen along these lines is Securitytango. Follow their Let's Dance link and you will be able to fix most malware problems.
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