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Good Luck, I just let Marc fix everything, LOL
Hi Flo. Yes, I have tried to Disable Renesas in System Configuration which also changes the General tab from Normal startup to Selective startup (which doesn't seem to make any difference to the way anything else operates). There's obviously some kind of conflict between the hardware & software but I can't find it. Going to try a different "cheap" multi-port card to see what happens.
Some of the things I've tried:
I've uninstalled Renesas Electronics via Programs and Features, rebooted and re-installed the Renesas drivers from the FebSmart website and from the mini CD that came with the card...Sometimes the card will work again after doing this, sometimes it won't -- I haven't figured out what exactly I have done when it decides to work the next time...
I've tried using a different motherboard PCI slot with no change in the card's behavioral operation...When it works, it will continue to work as long as the computer is left on (tested by leaving the computer running for days at a time)...It always survives Sleep mode and sometimes it will still work after a Restart or after a cold boot but sometimes it will not.
The problem could be within the power supply (650 watt Gold) or one of the peripherals that are plugged in to the machine -- EG a cheap mouse, keyboard, the dual display video cards, the USB video adapters one of the monitors (8 in total) etc. etc.
All I wanted was to add some extra USB 3.0 ports to plug more stuff into...
(more stuff that will cause other issues LOL) - - might be asking for too much.
After-all, it is a 10+ year old build that's been running 10-14 hours a day, every day, using an operating system that's obsolete...nothing lasts forever.
I take it you took it out of startup
Some issues I have with Win 10 - can't wait for Win 12 to come out!
MS has eliminated many of the things from Win 7 including user control of what consumers
might think was their personal property ...It's becoming more obvious all the time.
Windows 7 running on a 12 year old home-build machine
Windows 10 running on a 3 year old Dell Optiplex 9020
Still trying different "options" such as Dark mode to see if I can read the window text better...
I have Windows 10 on my desktop PC. I have several shortcuts on my desktop that I created thru Google.
Lately I will click on a shortcut and it goes to the my Google home page. I then have to create a new shortcut for that particular site.
I don't have this problem with Windows 10 on my laptop.
Any suggestions?????? TIA
I keep my computer on all week and shut it down weekends so jic there are any new updates and it needs to power off that takes care of it.
YW. Keep in mind, it's only an opinion.
There are other folks who are far more savvy.
Take care.
Thank you very much for your reply.
FWIW (and I am no expert). I shut down my laptop every night and if I'm going to be away from the house for any length of time.
Electronic equipment should be kept cool.
I don't think it's a good idea to keep it running 24/7 with only one weekly night of rest.
That's just me.
Not sure if sleep mode accomplishes the same thing.
Good luck and Happy Valentine's Day.
Age old question i know, but is it better to shut down laptops daily or use sleep mode and shut down weekly?
Much obliged.
Yes, I see that now. I should have doubled checked before I blurted that out.
Are ryzens better at overclocking than intel?
?? I may have three AMD Ryzen CPU's, but all my GPU's are Nvidia based products.
Holy moly. I take it you don't care much for nvidia? Or just go with whatever strikes you?
Ha!! Not til I followed the link!
I had a house fire almost exactly 4 years ago. Main bedroom burned. "office": the afore mentioned Benq monitor fell apart. PC: mb dead I bought another for ~$60, added the Samsung gen 1 NVMe, CPU and memory--sold the lot for ~$450!! (and pocketed the insurance $!!) Other end of hs: i7 based PC that I'd built in 2010 was fine... Cyberpower PC on rc rm/kitchen counter was fine save for the m/b...sold the Ryzen 1600x, mem etc for a few $
Built a Ryzen 2700x PC..upgraded it to a 3700x. Sold a GTX 1070 for abt $250-300 and then another 18 mo ago for $465!! Just sold my last (of 7) 1070's for $150.... (I'd thought I start mining..but never bothered.)
Built another PC for my main photo/vid editing box.... Ryzen 3900x, Gig x570 Ultra MB... now have two Samsung 980 pros in it...and 64 gb of mem, sold that cpu, got a 5950x---just after I'd got a used 3950x which I flipped for at least $100 profit!!
I have an Gig X570 Master and a box with room for a 360mm water cooler, will switch the 5950x into it so I can overclock it, which will match the RTX 3080Ti Ultra that I got as the prices were dropping. A 5900x which I got for a good price will go in the old case, along with a NVMe drive or two... which will give me three Ryzen based PC's... will try to sell one of them. I have a 3060Ti Ultra for that--which I won't sell and take a $250 loss on.
I'm using a GTX 1080 in PC#2 which shows some soot/corrosion on the fins from the fire, but it works fine...that and a GTX 1060 6gb aren't worth selling.
I have 5 4k monitors, including a $1500 BENq photo monitor that I got for $600 and change---even better than the one that---uhhh...melted
You can check out my images at flickr.com/photos/rbtree some vids: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC81lg839NyGD5Y8MAbU7nYA
Hey RB - remember this rig and post? Is it still going?
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=124369603
I have Win10 22H2 on my Windows machine, and it still receives updates - the last quality update was on 12/15/2022.
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I would assume so. Go to settings>update & security and check >view update history.
Or even invoke 'check for update'. I'm thinking win 11 is also 22H2, so maybe win10 22H2 will be supported for awhile. But I haven't verified that sorry.
My system is 21H2and ms says this was stopped in update cycles on dec 13 22' and all I get is the same message that it failed to install and security is lacking. Instead of actually telling you on that page or anywhere else on your system that the robo text means they're just not downloading anything. This has always been my pet peeve of ms.
The os tries to control so many things out of your control, they've just given up explaining what is really wrong and give nothing errors. We always think it's at our end.
There are ways to manually install win11 without having ms check your system and disable things that really aren't a factor. You should be able to run win 11 on your sys. It's ms pushing their own drivers and trying to handicap your 3rd party programs so windows won't crash and ruin your 'windows experience'.
So, will version 22H2 still get updates? I can't upgrade to 11 - system isn't compatible but I do have version 22H2.
In case anyone is having issues with windows 10 updates. The below is found on ms site. The part that sucks is ms doesn't bother to put even a note on your settings>update page in simple english, just leaves the the standard rote of 'something didn't download, we'll try again later'. Since I always delay everything and even try to disable updates, I figured it was something I did. Hope this helps someone. The thing to do if you don't want 11 yet is to download Windows 10, version 22H2. Guess that's what I'm doing shortly.
12/13/22
REMINDER All editions of Windows 10, version 21H1 are at end of service on December 13, 2022. After this December 13, 2022 update, these devices will not receive monthly security and quality updates. These updates contain protections from the latest security threats. To continue receiving security and quality updates, we recommend that you update to the latest version of Windows.
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/december-13-2022-kb5021233-os-builds-19042-2364-19043-2364-19044-2364-and-19045-2364-44e774aa-60c4-4e38-b7e7-c886d210db3b
Problem solved. When "lockscreen" for logging on to Microsoft account opened, just as a wild (clueless) act. I right clicked onto the bottom left corner of screen and my "local account" ID popped up. clicking on it brought up another window with ID and password request. Once this info. was provided my local account became active.
So happy. Thank you Jesus. Nice Christmas present.
Likewise. Have not been active Ihuber this year, however, Windows 11 drove me here. My desktop seems iffy now. Bought a new HP laptop with lots of bells and whistles.... and W-11. And with 3 windows 11 books, still can't get set up completely. Right now am trying to get "local accounts" to work. Forms seem to be filled correctly (like 3 security questions}. No notices of "error, go back", etc. But cannot not pull it up to use it. lol.
ANY HELP would be welcomed and appreciated, thank you mucho.
Thx ChannelTrader,
The thread does seem to relate to my issue, at least in that other people have had Sleep mode not staying asleep (dating back years ago). The suggestions offered did not fix the issue for me.
It's a virus I tell you ... and Microsoft has been a major "Typhoid Mary" spreader of the sickness.
In my opinion the big problem is our acceptance and adoption of a failed digital technology that has not been mastered. The fact that computers don't always operate exactly the same way that they did the last time they were used is telling to me. The fact that they must be turned OFF then turned back ON to correct things that inexplicably go wrong is just one consequence of the good but imperfect systems that are being used to control just about everything today...
I found this in a search...maybe it will help you.
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/pc-wakes-itself-seconds-after-turned-in-sleep-mode/2b2e54df-a98b-4d9a-b0a8-3ea6afe31ccc
Issue #2 - Not solved after all ...
My machine is back to Sleep mode not staying asleep for more than a couple seconds.
Although I temporarily "fixed" it yesterday by changing the Power Options, it seems Windows
has a mind of it's own and reset something for it's own purposes.
Issue #2 - solved . . . .
Please help...2 computers...2 OS...2 how-do-I questions
1) Win 10 ... can I turn off the sign in screen? (This might be called the Lock screen?)
I'd like the machine to start-up after pressing the power button without having
to type in my pin (my 2 Win 7 machines are set up this way)
2) Win 7 ... Are there "timer" adjustments to Sleep mode so it remains asleep?
For the past month or so when I select Start/Sleep it will go to sleep but restarts itself after
a few seconds...It used to stay in Sleep mode until I pressed the left mouse button or any key.
Note that I have not made changes to the Win 7 machine (that I know of) but it seems I've often seen issues after Automatic Restore Points are created or Windows Update downloads Critical Updates.
So I deleted Avast on all three computers and am now using Defender. Here is what happened. The two laptops powered up within three minutes vs 8-10 previously. The desktop had no change in how long it takes, but I am hard wired on that one. But from temporarily disabling the wifi on the first laptop it threw something off where every time I turned the power on there would be no internet and I would manually have to turn it on. Then it got so bad that the internet kept turning off seconds after I reconnected it.
I spent hours troubleshooting. Unchecking power management on the adapter settings, updating drivers, resetting connections, running trouble shooters, deleting drivers and reinstalling, re inputting router password. You name it, I did it. Read about every article on the internet about what to do. Then I realized that I only use this one computer to view things - I don't use it anywhere else so I decided to hard-wire it to the router and it instantaneously fixed the wifi problem. BUT, now that it is hardwired it is taking long to boot.
So my guess is that there were two issues here that were causing the long boot ups. One was Avast and the other is the router.
I'm done trying to troubleshoot the wireless connection - I don't mind using hard wire for this computer. What I will do is unplug it at boot up and then plug it in to get wifi after everything loads.
Thanks. You always liked rockin the equipment. Although I have win 10 home, yeah I know.
On #1. Do you use a wireless mouse? Even if not, it sounds like you have a 'wake on' whatever checked. Try and find all your device settings, even the nvidia and see if any 'save battery power' or USB device turn on blah blah. Sometimes if these are set, windows will not turn off because of the flag.The network card has 'wake on lan' which probably should never be on anyhow, but a sliim chance of tripping up win.
As well as display settings console. I seem to remember something there...
I see this on my win10 settings...
Settings>
Power and sleep>
Additional power settings>
change plan setttings>
Change advanced power settings> ... A separate window pops up with a full list of devices using power/sleep.
If you've been here, make sure to look again at each item. I have high performance. The balanced is supposedly for laptops and such.
Oh and even more super basic, I think there is still settings even in new bios's (if they're called that any more) that also has sleep and battery settings. The bios is still the thing that comes up first but windows is supposed to recognize and renumerate those basic things during the hand over but sometimes ... not.
2. Another stab at the ether. Do you use firefox? Almost doesn't matter now which browser, but the top, what, three? They all load extra instances of themselves, supposedly to give us faster browsing, but also to be more protective of crashing and I guess security.
Do a three finger salute to task manager and see how many processes your browser is using. Usually under 'apps' and below under background processes. My firefox eats plenty of memory and firefox is still not releasing memory like it's supposed to. Even closing it out. While you're in TM, look down that list and see if you don't recognize something that is for sure not MS. There's really nothing you can do about shutting down a service in TM if it is a service host. Those are usually protected and will complain you will explode your computer into a billion pieces if you try.
I like a program called Sysinternals Suite, https://www.techspot.com/downloads/4680-sysinternals-suite.html. It's got boatloads of programs. All safe, probably all from MS.
It has more than a few that will show whats running. Can really get your geek on with this suite. I've had that program since it was independent and I think MS bought them out.
Also on #2. Windows update has some processes which I think are still not rectified like update module loader or whatever. It uses memory and processor power and just spins.
I see my drive light go solid for a few seconds, I bring up MT and end the task. I do not like update running all the time. It's been in the last three or four updates plus a major one that people have been reporting issues with updates. Just an idea to throw at you.
GL.
Excellent post and great advice.
I have an odd situation or two with my #2 PC:
Assuming you can help or want to, here goes:
Specs: W. 11 Pro, Ryzen 7 3700x, Gig X470 mb (their best, at that ttime) 32 gb (2x16) of G.Skill B-die 3200 speed mem, 2 NVMe drives, a couple attached HDD's and SSD's..... GTX 1070 GPU.
Issues---
1. even though the pwr settings are (supposedly) corrrect, it doesn't go to sleep when it is set to, (prolly 15 minutes) so I have to manually pit it to sleep or to hibernate.
2. The used memory doesn't self clean as it should. Inside of a few hours of even simple use like web surfing, as little as 3 gb of the 32 gb of mem remains unused. I have the page file amount set plenty high, so that's not it. This is odd, have never had it before. Can't find the culprit, using the several methods I know. Sort of rebooting, I used system mechanic to recover the used memory.. and it can get the amount used down to about 3 gb. After that, even if a couple programs besides chrome are running, the PC hums smoothly.. for a few hours....
The ONT is simply the device that converts the fiber signal to ethernet cable and to the router.. I now have ziply fiber, which is similar to Vz Fios. It has no effect on the signal that your PC's receive. I love the 500 up/500 down speed, especially at $55/m and may go to 1 gb 1 gb for $10/mo more.
Defender is all I use, across 2 laptops and 3 PC's, some running W 10, some W 11. Nothing gets past it. Inobtrusive and works in the background.
I do proactively control what loads at startup.
Mind you, I'm running machines with 16-64 gb of ram, and up to Ryzen 9, 16 core, 32 thread CPU's. All boot drives are fast NVMe SSD's.
Ok, so I uninstalled Avast on my laptop that has hardly anything on it and I only use it for watching level II on two screens - no internet browsing on it.
Now protected by Defender - checked to make sure it was on.
Restarted computer using Defender and it booted up in 8 minutes.
Turned internet off and restarted it and it booted in 6 minutes.
Decided to try a cold boot so I completely shut it down and powered it up again with no internet - booted in 2 minutes.
Then I turned internet back on and tried the cold boot with internet on and it booted in 2 minutes also.
So I am guessing that restarting takes longer than shutting it down completely and restarting. Two minutes to boot up is great and I am very happy. This tells me it was the Avast. I will have to try deleting Avast on my main desktop computer and see if the same results happen using Defender.
Hopefully this is the answer - fingers crossed and I thank all three of you for all the input!
thanks - it says that it goes off if you have another antivirus software and on if there is none - so I will try removing avast and see what happens
I'm an old school troubleshooter who breaks computer problems down in mechanical - operating systems - software. And your issue is compounded by three.
It started on all same time weeks ago?
Mechanical - all three are connected to the same router.
OS- all three are windows 10?
Software - all have been auto updated by MS
Software - all have avast installed.
Odds are MS update will break your 3rd party programs, not the 3rd party breaking MS.
I'm just going to finish with my ideas that you may try after looking at MS and other advice. How did the safe boot go?
The reason for disabling internet is so that you don't have to load or run defender, which you can disable but not it's basic processes from running - which is trying to run along with avast. MS is not friendly to 3rd party. Windows defender is now integral and almost non stoppable process in windows. Defender is also used with update.
In windows security > settings, you can disable windows firewall, virus, etc, but it doesn't stop numerous windows defender process from running in the background.
Windows did this to let people try 3rd party but runs bg processes anyways.
Knowing this, if worried about internet, don't be connected, pull the ethernet cable if you must to feel safe while troubleshooting.
Things to try.
Safe boot with 'no internet connection'. If it boots normal, shut down and safe boot again with internet enabled. If it again boots in safe mode properly with connections, it's not the router and is likely a windows/3rd party driver/software related. You are eliminating some mechanical from the mix.
Since you see your normal screens on all three after the long wait, it's not a graphics driver issue as I suggested before, unless in some one in a million glitch that effects all graphic cards... not likely at all.
It appears to be a windows driver problem between boot up and the time windows takes over. there are identical procedures and processes on any computer until windows enumerates or starts assigning addresses, hardware and recognizing each particular computer set up. On a single computer I can come up with a lot of different things it could be, but across three, that cuts a lot out. And deepens the mystery.
I'm still staying with MS defender/updates breaking avast, and since all three have had the same updates that's the way I'm leaning.
Again, it shouldn't hurt you to disconnect from the internet, uninstall avast totally and try booting up without the internet. If it comes up properly in that configuration, reset your internet connection, leave avast off and reboot. Windows will (if you didn't do anything in security settings of defender) will protect your system with MS firewall and defender. It should also turn on MS virus as well. If that reboot is all good, then it is avast and defender butting heads.
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/stay-protected-with-windows-security-2ae0363d-0ada-c064-8b56-6a39afb6a963
scroll down to the "important security info" paragraph
scroll down to the blue link "open Windows Security settings" to see what's going on or,
Start > Settings > Update & Security > Windows Security
All three computers have auto update. All three computers have Avast. All three computers use the same router. Those are the common denominators that I can think of. Should I try to completely delete Avast and use Defender instead on one of them? If so, how do I get Defender to work? I think Eli mentioned it is on the computer. How do I get it back because I don't see it on here.
but because it is happening on all of your pc's it has to be something common to all of them. There has been a lot of chatter lately about hackers gaining access to Internet routers If you're using the cable company modem/router, then that is probably not the issue though, as they utilize multiple firewalls.
That would make sense, but I have Verizon FIOS as my provider and the router is Verizon. I'm just thinking here. The only thing we got changed recently, and I don't know if all this happened around the same time was the ONT from Verizon. I don't even know what an ONT is but it's in the garage and we had the original one from years ago (we were one of the first FIOS customers in the country when it first came out). I'm going to have to ask my husband about this. He was a FIOS tech now retired.
I used to use CCleaner years ago. Don't have it anymore but this is clearly not an issue about caches and registry since it is happening on all three computers. But thanks - maybe I will download it just to have it.
I will agree to disagree with you on the registry cleanup. I've been doing it for a long time on my windows machines and haven't encountered an adverse operating condition in performing the cleanup. Have a great day!
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That all makes sense, but no one should ever let a 3rd party touch or clean the registry.
Even MS doesn't have a registry cleaner or checker and there's a reason for that.
A 3rd party program doesn't exist that can do any automotive type cleaning or adjustments of a window registry. Never a good idea to let any 3rd party program have authority to change any registry setting unless it's asks permission to install normal program paths.
Cintrix, if you're reading this there's another thing you can try. This would be specific to whatever computer you're on. Also, the advice for trying in safe mode is very good
It can't hurt you.
c:/ drive > users > (you)> AppDatta > Local > Temp > First make a copy of the Temp folder and paste it on the desktop, then delete the complete contents of the original folder. And reboot.
(''click in a spot inside the folder and CTRL+A then while highlighted hit DEL. This selects all for deletion.)
The reason for this is windows and 3rd party stuff a lot of do dads in this folder and if you have rebooted a couple of times it's pretty safe to clean out this folder. It's also the folder where some old exe files could be living.
You can move the copied files back in that folder if anything odd is happening, which I don't think will. If this cures something, then all three computers have the same thing perhaps in the temp folder. It's a long shot.
The deal here however is the same issue on three different computers. Did all three have the same updates done as well? Because if you have auto updates on all three, then if you had them all on on the same week whatever, they all got the same update. Have to find the common denominator.
Also, I think you need to completely uninstall avast on that laptop as 3rd party programs are horrible for cleaning up after themselves in the registry. You won't really have a pure test unless it's totally gone for a couple of reboots.
And again, it's just my advice, but I wouldn't do a reinstall of windows. You don't need to. It's like installing a new engine because your windshield washer doesn't squirt.
I use CCleaner on all of my Windows PC's. It does a great job of keeping all caches and the registry clean. I forgot to mention that those 2 issues could slow a pc down significantly over time - caches especially, but also the registry because after each Windows update it leaves a plethora of leftover junk in the registry. CCleaner also offers the ability to disable/delete startup items. I highly recommend this program to anyone running Windows machines. The free version works just as effectively as the paid version does.
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From past experience, a very slow boot-up could be hardware related (motherboard, memory, etc.) - but because it is happening on all of your pc's it has to be something common to all of them. There has been a lot of chatter lately about hackers gaining access to Internet routers. If you're using the cable company modem/router, then that is probably not the issue though, as they utilize multiple firewalls. If you're using your own modem, and/or router, then it would be worth checking into.
Another reason for very slow boot-up could be a trojan virus residing in the Master Boot Record (MBR). But, for that to happen on all of your pc's, they would've had to have a common denominator - something shared amongst all of them (e.g. flash drive, backup drive, networked together sharing resources, etc.). Also, if a cell phone is infected with a virus, and connect's to the computer, then the virus can migrate to the PC. MBR trojans can be difficult to eliminate, because they load before Windows, or antivirus software loads. Windows Antivirus has a scan setting that reboot's the PC and scans the hard drive before all of Windows loads - I would probably try that first. It may not be able to detect a MBR trojan though. To scan the MBR you would need to boot from USB or optical drive with a bootable virus scanner.
Without having "hand's on" the PC, I am only offering possibilities of what could be the issue(s). If you have a computer repair shop that you trust, you may want to just take one of them and see if they can figure it out.
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Be interesting to see how fast it boots in "safe mode"---if fast, then go into your startup tab on the task manager and start disabling stuff that starts on boot to see if some process is bogging you down...
Ditto here - Windows Defender is all that I use on my Windows machines.
I think I use Defender firewall but not sure. So I just changed the setting on Avast to "delay on startup" just to see if this thing booted up faster. NO CHANGE AT ALL. I guess it isn't the antivirus software after all. I thought because it is happening on three different computers that it had to be that. Well is there anyone else on this board also having very slow start ups lately in Win 10?
Thru the years I've used Avast, Avg, Panda, and maybe others I forgot---since Windows 10, I use Windows Defender (which is on your machines)---I have a laptop running Windows 10 and a desktop running Windows 11---Defender has worked just fine for me
This board is for discussing and attempting to solve problems we have with our computers. The only rule we see necessary at this time is to be civil.
Please tell us all the info you have regarding your problem such as operating system, what you were doing when the problem occurred, etc. If you tell us the brand and model number of your computer it will help tremendously in finding the answer. We do not claim to be experts but we'll try to help.
Google is the best source of information for most computer problems. Almost without fail, there are plenty of people in cyberspace that are having or have had the same problem you have. Search for the answer.
The most common problem is malware of some sort. I am using this term to include rogue downloads, popups, and spyware. There are many legitimate programs to help you manage these problems. The effectiveness of these programs changes all the time so the list will change also. Currently, the best site I've seen along these lines is Securitytango. Follow their Let's Dance link and you will be able to fix most malware problems.
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