Circle Group Holdings Inc (CXN)

[HotrodHans]

email Dateline

Posted by: Crumbster
In reply to: None Date:4/7/2005 1:10:22 AM
Post #of 66130

hey folks

dont know if you think this is important but

Dateline was to do a report on naked shorting and has now canceled it. If you want to hear it and think it is important please go to http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3303518/ and click on dateline nbc to send them your opinion and email. forward this message to anyone that will help.

[Rawnoc]

Boy you've taken a bath on this POS LMAO EOM

[HotrodHans]

Actually if you read it he's soliciting for funds.

[Rawnoc]

Didn't lose his case....just lost a temporary order to dismiss I believe and is a temporary order to remove the profile pending the actual court case.

Kind of like Jay Leno previously being forbidden to make Michael Jackson jokes. The actual court case on the matter hasn't even started trial.

[olico ™]

heard OurStreet lost its case on Thursday with CXN..........hmmmmmm.

Heard they put up, "Freedom of Speech is Dead" in place of the CXN blurbs.............LOL!

Damn angry I bet..........


http://www.our-street.com/featured.htm

[Rawnoc]

our STREET - 50% of companies have been investigated:

http://www.pcquote.com/stocks/readNews.php?symbol=stlof&id=2890219


If that's not credibility, I don't know what is.


Could CXN be next? Profiled between $5 and $6 and hit 75 cents today.

Credibility is earned.

[Rawnoc]

woo hoo, a new Z-trim!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe this quarter they can beat the paltry $2,762 in sales they got last quarter.

[HotrodHans]

Circle Group Holdings Introduces A New Version Of Z-Trim(TM) Made From Non-GMO Wheat


MUNDELEIN, Ill., Dec. 10 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Circle Group Holdings,
Inc. (Amex: CXN) announced today that its FiberGel Technologies, Inc.
subsidiary has produced a new version of its Z-Trim zero calorie fat
replacement and dietary fiber supplement from Non-GMO (Genetically Modified
Organisms) Wheat. The Company expects that the Non-GMO status will create
additional interest among leading food companies who offer products in this
area.
"The Non-GMO Wheat Z-Trim has been developed specifically for major food
company customers of DKSH, our European distribution partner, in response to
successful test results with original Z-Trim," said Gregory J. Halpern, CEO of
Circle Group. "The European food companies present a significant business
opportunity for us and this milestone is critical to our efforts to penetrate
those markets.
DKSH Group has developed marketing plans for distributing Z-Trim products
throughout Europe and Asia. The plan for 2004 included the development of
customer contacts, the introduction of samples, pilot tests, product trials,
and initial production orders for customers in the different geographic target
areas. The product cycle will roll into 2005 with different stages of
development for the various customers and target areas with projected
increased customer order quantities.
"Our new state-of-the-art plant and product are going to be certified as
Non-GMO by Genetic ID, in addition to inspection and certification by The
American Institute of Baking as to ISO 9000 quality. Routine plant and product
kosher certification will also be made by the Orthodox Union," stated Triveni
P. Shukla, Ph.D., Vice President, and Technology Development for FiberGel. "We
have an isolated production line for Non-GMO Z-Trim products. Additional Z-
Trim products scheduled for production from soy hull and oat bran will
position FiberGel Technologies, Inc. well to serve its customers with specific
health claim requirements."

About FiberGel Technologies, Inc.
FiberGel owns the worldwide rights to Z-Trim for all fields of use.
Invented over many years by Outstanding Senior Research Scientist Dr. George
Inglett http://www.thesoydailyclub.com/Research/ars2132002.asp at the United
States Department of Agriculture, Z-Trim(TM) is a patented, zero calorie,
multi-functional, fiber food ingredient from corn or wheat that lowers
carbohydrates, calories and fats in most foods without affecting taste or
texture. For more information about FiberGel Technologies, visit
http://ztrim.com or to order Z-Trim contact your grocer or on-line
at http://www.ztrim.com/retailline.asp .

About Circle Group Holdings, Inc.
Circle Group Holdings http://crgq.com is a pioneer of emerging
technologies. Focusing on two increasingly vital business sectors - health and
security, the Company provides small business infrastructure, funding and
substantial intellectual capital to bring important and timely life-changing
technologies to market through all early phases of the commercialization
process. Current Circle Group products have the potential to change the food
industry and provide solutions to some of the challenges facing the country's
Homeland Security Department. The company has exclusive rights to market major
technological breakthroughs invented by noted scientists at the U.S.
Department of Agriculture and the Department of Energy's Brookhaven National
Laboratory - Z-Trim, Mini-Raman Lidar, ThraxVac and Z-Bind (a byproduct of
Z-Trim developed at FiberGel by Dr. Shukla). All Company press releases are
available at http://crgq.com/HTML/breakingNews.html .

Forward-Looking Statements
Statements made in this news release that relate to future plans, events
or performances are forward-looking statements. Any statement containing words
such as "believes," "anticipates," "plans," or "expects," and other statements
which are not historical facts contained in this release are forward-looking,
and these statements involve risks and uncertainties and are based on current
expectations. Consequently, actual results could differ materially from the
expectations expressed in these forward-looking statements. Reference is made
to the Company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission for a
more complete discussion of such risks and uncertainties.

Contact: Steve Cohen
Voice: 847-549-6002
Email: [e-mail]



SOURCE Circle Group Holdings, Inc.
Web Site: http://www.crgq.com

[Rawnoc]

read THIS before you invest in CXN....

http://snipurl.com/b12n

Some very interesting objective, indisputable facts concerning CXN and its managment.

[Rawnoc]

Z-twim sales --- $33,382 to $2762

$33,382 to $2762

Q2 2004's Z-twim sales: $33,382
Q3 2004's Z-twim sales: $2,762

A little guy is always the last to know.

See ya at 50 cents and less.

Credibility is earned.

Raw

[HotrodHans]

I'm thinkin' broiled is more like it.

They're trying..just not getting anywhere right now.

[Rawnoc]

You were right about cookin'....


You're getting toasted!!!!


Raw ;)

[HotrodHans]

soon baby, soon...we'll be cookin'
(pun intended)

[Rawnoc]

step up to the "PLATE"...hehe, me likes puns. EOM

[2bStealthy]

Nestle leads the way, and now I suspect others will step up to the plate. eom

[HotrodHans]

nice order from nestle

Group's Subsidiary Receives Increased Order From Nestle for Z-Trim Zero Calorie Fat Substitute

MUNDELEIN, Ill., May 13 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Circle Group Holdings,
Inc. (Amex: CXN) today announced today that its subsidiary, FiberGel
Technologies, Inc. has received an increased purchase order from Nestle for
its Z-Trim zero calorie fat substitute. Valued at $881,000, the order is for
215,000 pounds of Z-Trim with deliveries beginning in May and continuing until
December 2004.
Z-Trim is a patented revolutionary all-natural, zero calorie fat
replacement that reduces calories and increases healthy insoluble fiber in a
variety of products, including cheese, baked goods, processed meats,
dressings, confectionery and a wide range of other prepared foods. It has been
well received by consumers as well as a number of major domestic and foreign
food manufacturers as a mainstream ingredient for making healthier foods with
fewer calories that don't sacrifice taste or texture. FiberGel owns the
worldwide rights to Z-Trim for all fields of use, which was invented over many
years by Outstanding Senior Research Scientist Dr. George Inglett
( http://www.thesoydailyclub.com/Research/ars2132002.asp ) at the United
States Department of Agriculture (USDA). For more information about FiberGel
Technologies, visit http://ztrim.com .

About Circle Group Holdings, Inc.
Circle Group Holdings, Inc. (Amex: CXN) ( http://crgq.com ), is a pioneer
of emerging technology companies. The Company provides small business
infrastructure, funding and substantial intellectual capital to bring
important and timely life-changing technologies to market through all early
phases of the commercialization process. All Company press releases are
available at http://www.crgq.com/HTML/breakingNews.html .

Forward-Looking Statements
Statements made in this news release that relate to future plans, events
or performances are forward-looking statements. Any statement containing words
such as "believes," "anticipates," "plans," or "expects," and other statements
which are not historical facts contained in this release are forward-looking,
and these statements involve risks and uncertainties and are based on current
expectations. Consequently, actual results could differ materially from the
expectations expressed in these forward-looking statements. Reference is made
to the Company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission for a
more complete discussion of such risks and uncertainties.

Contact: Steve Cohen
Voice: 847-549-6002
Email: [e-mail]



SOURCE Circle Group Holdings, Inc.
Web Site: http://www.crgq.com
http://www.thesoydailyclub.com/Research/ars2132002.asp
http://ztrim.com

[Rusty00]

Post from jrf30 agracom.com board
Subject: june and July. OUR months
From jrf30
PostID 331950 On Saturday, May 08, 2004 (EST) at 5:33:06 PM
Response To: thrutheroof PostID 331925

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I've been saying that for a few months now. But, it needs saying again. June and July is what we are waiting for right now. Not new contracts, but tie to pass so that the OLD news can come to fruition.

We had a lot of good news early in the year. the deal with nestle's. The infomercial going to be made. the plant being started in IL. that helped us out a lot. but, now people keep wondering why no new news is out. It is becaues it takes time to DO the things alaredy announced. the informercial was annoucned. After the announcment, it had to be written, shot, edited, and produced. Then, it had to be sharpened to the final product. Finally, it had to be placed into slots for TV, and that is not done a mere day or two in advance. All that takes time. So, even though it was announced months ago, it is just now being finished. We should see it ON TV in ... June or July.

The plant was announced. that too takes time to build. It tkes time to get the permits TO build it. To work the design, ramp it up, construct it, and get it going. It will be up and running about ... June or july. It has always been on that timetable. The nestle deal was announced. That was said to start in earnest in June too. It makes me wonder (going into speculation now here) if Greg told them that they could go ahead and start taste tests and even get a contract but that because the plant was not up yet we could not deliver enough Z-Trim to allow the deal to hit the streets before June. Either way, June is when it is expected that ''whatever'' product it is shall hit the streets. I forget where I heard June, but I think greg said it in one of the releases.

See my point? We are not having ''no news''. We are working on EXISTING news. What has been happening since February is that the previous releases are being ACTUATED. The plant IS being built, and those of us that attend the annnual meeting will see it. The contract with Nestle's has been moving forward, and we were told a while back that they have INCREASED the size of the order twice. That is good news. We don't know what it IS yet, but I can live with that. I bet it is a FLOATING contract anyway, and will be changed AGAin as Z-Trim hits the market. Increased MORE THAN two more times. So, it was probably not a dollar amount contract, but a relationship contract. that will GROW over time, as products hit the shelves. Again in june or July.

the infomercial can NOT come out until we can make enough product to support it. So, since the plant is scheduled for June or July, I bet the infomercial starts about two weeks before the plant opens. A guess, but tht is good planning. And, despite what some may think, I think the planing on this has been superb. I'll tell you about that in the next paragraph. For now, the infomerical. I personally think that the profits from the infomercial shall be MORE in 2005 than the profits from the nestle deal. You heard it here first.

Not the revenues, but the profits. I would think that we will sell more to Nestle than on the TV, but the profit margins are so much higher that it would not surprise me to see $3MM in profits from $25MM in sales to Nestle (Again a guess on the size of the deal in 2005) and $5MM in profits from $10MM in sales on the infomercial. PLUS any other contracts athat can be signed after these are figured out and absorbed into our ability to supply them. (and some of you thought the infomercial was a bad idea)

The output needed to supply the infomerical, plus the output needed to suppply Nestle, plus the output needed to supply GourmetCookie.com (let's not forget about them) is MORE THAN WE CAN PRODUCE RIGHT NOW, according to one of the releases greg put out a while ago. Which leads me to my last thought.

The planning and ramping up of a major company. Greg has done this RIGHT. WE are all looking for the next contract. That may not be the right way to look at the upcoming news. If we can not meet the demands of nestle with our current plant that is also producing Oattrim for Quaker, and can't in the near future meet the demands of Nestle AND the infomercial even if we use the output from both the plant we have now (remember it is a pilot plant really) AND the one we are building in Illinois, then WHY GET NEW CONTRACTS? Instead, line them up. get them READY. Then, when ALL THIS NEWS hits us in June and July, take that news and build ANOTHER plant. Maybe TWO more. THEN, we can add more contracts AND meet those requirements of supply. SO, contracts are NOT #1 ''now''. Getting PRODUCTON is #1.

Guys, this is all speculation. But, I've worked with start up comapnies before, and KNOW that this is how it normally works. You have to get a contract to get some revenue and to get interest. Then, you have to build a plant to provide for THAT contract. We are do9ng that with the plant in IL. Then, you can expand from there. But, until we have the plant, I don' think we CAN announce any other big contracts. The infomercial is for higher profit , so we WILL do THAT, but we can't produce enough if we get three or five (or thrirty) more companies asking for product. NOt yet. SO, instead of getting them mad at us, we tell them that we have the product, and that it will be out there on Nestle SOON, and then we will deal with them TOO. make them feel not as important as Nestle? SO WHAT? Nestle's is THE #1 food company in the WORLD. they ARE less implkrtant than Nestle. But, we need to tell them they are important to US. And, we WILL get them product TOO, as soon as we can ramp up enough for Nestle and then get to them. SOund logical? It does to me!

that's my take on it. And, I think that once we get the plant up and running, we can announce more contracts, and WILL. And, then we'll build MORE plants. Wouldn't it be nice if by the end of 2005 we had about 8 plants across the midwest? If we grow SMARTLY, (and I think we HAVE done that so far) then I think it is possible.

So, here's to June and July. I expect them to be GOOD months for us. The fact that we have held $5 per share in May while having no new news AND the market TANKING is GOOD news to me. Going up? Nope, but not a problem. Getting ready for June and July? YEP!!! Let's review the price on August 1st, or August 10th. Then, we'll see if this plays out as I expect. ANd, as i started saying way back in March and early April, when the news started disappearing, and people started worrying. WOrry now, but see the results by AUgust 1.

How's THAT for a guest opinion on what is happening at CXN? I disclaim that this is ONLY A GUESS, but based on previous work with companies that have had a similar path. I am long the stock, and am a bull. I am probably biased. Oh well, that is why I am an owner! I sese good things for our future though.

John

[buddyholly]

Nice work Rusty. IMO, This money train appears to just be starting the run northward. Double digits do appear on the horizon,May-June could be the lucky charm months. Hopefully VTSI will follow suit. Good Luck to All.
Buddyholly

[Rusty00]

Sorry no.
Just read it and copied it.

[2bStealthy]

Rusty, do you have a link for that article? eom

[Rusty00]

Part 2
by: e4se1 04/26/04 06:34 am
Msg: 73 of 73

Painter, who has conducted ample research in the field of nutrition and health and fitness, has created meal bars and gives lectures on diets, anticipates Z-Trim will be a massive success that Halpern will directly reap the benefits from.

"(Halpern) is very excited because it will probably make him millions," he said.

Not only that, but Halpern expects Z-Trim to help curb the United States' constantly climbing obesity rates.


"This is huge breakthrough," he said. "By the end of the year, everyone will know Z-Trim is the answer to obesity. It you look at what people are doing now (with the various diets), it is a great solution."

Presently, according to the Department of Health and Human Services Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the prevalence of obesity in the United States has soared at an epidemic rate during the past 20 years. The department also states one of the national health objectives for the year 2010 is to reduce obesity among adults to less than 15 percent.

And with the reaction his company has received thus far from the food industry regarding Z-Trim, Halpern is over the moon about the product and its future. He said FiberGel Technologies is scrambling to meet the demand of major brand corporations that want to use Z-Trim in their food products.

"They are jazzed about the product," Halpern said. "The problem is they want more of the product than we can provide. It's a push-pull campaign."

Z-Trim's versatility is what Halpern said adds to its appeal.

It can be mixed a myriad of products including salad dressings, cookies, brownies, mayonnaise and butter as a fat replacement. And Halpern said consumers will be deceived when they compare the Z-Trim laden food with full-fat product.

"Actually, a too-good-to-be-true scenario came out of the product," he said. "In a taste test seven out of 10 said Z-Trim was the full fat product."

Adding to the enticement of Z-Trim is that it is relatively cost competitive with fat.

"It's make a gourmet cookie that's less expensive, even less expensive than Mrs.Field's," Halpern said.

Although its powder form is the sole form than can currently be purchased by consumers, it also is made in the gel form the food science class will be experimenting with.

"We are only selling powder, but we want to sell it as a gel," he said. "I can sell smaller amounts as powder though and it is cheaper for the consumer."

Kathy Rhodes, a senior dietetics major and student in Eastern's food science class, said she is elated to have the opportunity to participate in the fat substitute tests.

"I am very excited about the Z-Trim project," she said. "It is so wonderful to be in

on the ground floor of a fat substitute that I feel will be the breakthrough for obesity in America today. When the sugar substitutes came out, everyone thought that was it - everyone can eat what they want and it won't affect their weight.

"Well, as we can all see, that sort of backfired. Z-Trim is different ... I tried one of the chocolate chip cookies (baked with Z-Trim available online) and it was unbelievable. There was no after taste or strange taste. It was soft and chewy like a cookie should be."

But Rhodes divulged she won't dub the product the diet solution until her class conducts an array of tests.

"The only drawback I have on Z-Trim is the fact that they don't know the long term effects of it yet," She said. "That is one of the tests, as many others will be, that will be conducted for Z-Trim."

[Rusty00]

Very good article off Yahoo very much worth reprint here:

Nice Article Part 1
by: e4se1 04/26/04 06:32 am
Msg: 72 of 73

Found this article doing some research tonight. Pasted the entire thing because you need to sign up in order to access the article:

Beginning Friday, Eastern will be the lone university assisting Mundelein-based FiberGel Technologies Inc., a subsidiary of Circle Group Holdings Inc., in testing what may arguably wind up being the most successful fat substitute in history.

Z-Trim, a fat replacement that lowers up to 50 percent of calories and fats in foods without hindering taste or texture, has been available for consumers to purchase online since January in a powder form.

The product is one Greg Halpern, Chief Executive Officer of Circle Group Holdings, said consumers can expect in mainstream food products made by Nestle and other major food brands by summer.

"Few people know about it now, but by the end of the year everyone in America will know about it," he said.

The company purchased the patent from the United States Department of Agriculture laboratory in Peoria, where Z-Trim was developed.

From June through the end of the year, it will air $20-$30 million worth of commercials hawking the zero-calorie, corn-based substitute that increases healthy insoluble fiber when used in products, Halpern said. He said a direct response company will be responsible for all the marketing and promotions involving the product.

First-year School of Family & Consumer Sciences Chair James Painter, former assistant professor in the Department of Food Science and Nutrition at University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, initially became involved with FiberGel Technologies when he introduced his Nutrition Analysis Tools and System (NATS) to Halpern at a conference last June. The NATS program uses tables to analyze the nutrient content of the food people consume and is compatible with most browsers. During midsummer of last year he licensed the company with a 15-year agreement to make NATS accessible through the Z-Trim Web site (ztrim.com).

During his encounter with Halpern is when Painter became aware of Z-Trim, which at the time was in the process of being developed. In exchange for pursuing Z-Trim studies, Eastern received a financial gift from FiberGel Technologies, Painter said.


Now, Painter said, working in conjunction with food science instructor Susan Rippy, Eastern's food science class will experiment with Z-Trim by cooking with it along with recruiting consumer panels to serve as taste testers.

"I asked Susan Rippy if she would take this experiment to her classes," Painter said. "I want the faculty to be doing real world teaching. I really wanted to make a connection between Eastern and industry. We'll gather the consumer panel to gather the overall opinion (on how well it is received). It is a win-win situation."

Students will be incorporating Z-Trim into baked goods, salad dressings and the like and gradually will chart how well it performs in the various tests the class conducts.

Rippy insisted while she expects the fat substitute to help people battle obesity, they still must implement lifestyle changes.

"We will be using the gel to substitute for part of the fat in common baked products," Rippy, who with Painter has already what the testing will entail, said. "Part of our work will be to determine the acceptability of the finished product and to determine the level of replacement that will be acceptable ... It will help, but people must still incorporate a well balanced diet with variety and moderation ..."

Painter expressed confidence in Z-Trim and is hopeful it eventually become a food industry staple.

"I really like Z-Trim," he said. "It is exactly what we need in this country. It is not a magic bullet because obviously there isn't one. But it comes close to it."

[Ulrike]

2bStealthy : Yes, too bad I didn't know about CXN earlier. However, I will get as many shares I can afford and just wait and see what the future will bring : )

Regards,
Ulli

[Rusty00]

Anything under $10 will be a steal
when CXN gets it going. The point being, get in before it takes off and runs away.

[2bStealthy]

Ulrike,

Too bad you didn't get aboard about 8 months ago.

Best Regards,
2b

[Ulrike]

Hi 2BStealthy : I just listened to the Wallstreet Reporter Interview you pointed out in one of your earlier posts. Really interesting.

I'm glad to know about CXN - still at this early stage of development, and listed at the AMEX now! Great.

Thanks,
Ulli

[buddyholly]

A price of $7.00/share is a reasonable forcast, but IMO there is a resistance being built, probably by some MM's and the shorts. The ringing of the bell is nice PR, but it will take some more and bigger contracts from Nestles and others to really spike the punch, so to speak. Momentum and time is on the longs side. As it was stated, once the production plant is up and running, it will be statas quo for a little while. 3rd quarter will probably be the telling of the tape. Patience will pay off in the long run. Take care and Good Luck to All.
Buddyholly

[Irv]

Yes, $7 would be nice, even higher should come if the company becomes profitable by the end of the year. The quiteness on this board no doubt reflects the lack of any significant news from the company. For a while, Greg was saying things were in the works and we could look for news soon. I guess his idea of soon is different from mine, although I do think that the news on the production facility deserved more attention than it got. No one ramps up production for a product they don't think they can sell.

[Rusty00]

Wow, quiet board.

When will we get the next press??????
Probably about time like now for a zinger up to 7.
Now wouldn't that be nice!!!!!

[Rusty00]

There is always risks when you invest in a company that you may not know or has incomplete info to check. On the whole scale of things, most companies I wouldn't even look at twice.

This one IMO has pass the test for risk and now the growth factor comes to play. I sleep very well these days being on the AMEX also which is VERY big for growth as long as you have the product(s) to produce and public demand for it. We have both.

VTSI will be a player too hopefully mid year the way it looks at this point being the leader in its field with the best products and sales team out there. Contacts mean survival and I feel they have made the contacts already. Just a matter of when the numbers come in.
:)

[buddyholly]

There is always risks when anyone invests in the market, but the risks now seem smaller than they were over a year ago on CXN. I see a similar situation with VTSI as with CXN. It seems both companies have reinvented themselves by learning from any past mistakes. IMO The jury is still out on VTSI, but it is appearing that the verdict on CXN is coming in positive. Thanks.
Buddyholly

[Rusty00]

IMO the risk is gone and has been gone. Those days are over.

If anyone can't see that at this point, pay more later.
Too many positives going on besides Nestles in the fold.
It's nothing but blue sky ahead at the rate we're headed now.

[stk42]

That's how I felt, then developments DID come (Nestle) which indicated to me that CXN was the real deal. Buyers began to pay a premium to buy CXN stock after that (Jan 15th, 2004).

Read this message on Raging Bull, because it spoke directly to the issue (posted -with premonition?- 17-aug-2003): http://ragingbull.lycos.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=CXN&read=504

"Granted it is RISKIER now than buying when it has a contract, and is expected to go up from there.. So, I'm not saying this is for everybody. Once it has contracts, the risk will be less, and more conservative investors could buy then with less risk, and hopefully still make a good profit. But, since I fell the contracts ARE coming, I am willing to take the higher risk"

The question seems to be one of risk tolerance. What does it take for you to see that CXN is the "real deal" and what do you consider to be a "development"? A premium is ALREADY there, based on the Nestle contract (share price was hovering around $2 before the Nestle contract).

[Rawnoc]

Very hard to predict CXN from here. I await developments.


If CXN is the real deal and developments come, I have no problem paying a premium for that less risk.


Raw

[buddyholly]

Raw; that's a unique comparison, seeing as that z-trim is being used to help with the obesity issue. You say that you follow dozens of stocks before establishing a position and do your DD, which is prudent. What keeps you on the side lines when this particular stock has gone up in price from .04 to 8.90 in just over a year and now is in the 6.50's and potetially climbing higher? Thanks.
Buddyholly

[Rawnoc]

That's a stretch. It's more like Slim fast powder mix and slim fast candy bars. Either the brand and concept sells or not. They support each other and win or fold together.


JMO,


Raw

[buddyholly]

Yes, you could say that, but the same could be said for the tobacco industry, beer industry, alcohol industry, etc. Same family, but different varieties of the same product. Wouldn't you agree? Thanks.
Buddyholly

[Rawnoc]

All part of the same family, no? EOM

[buddyholly]

Raw; what about z-bind? Wouldn't you consider that a second product? Doesn't that give CXN another option with multiple avenues? Thanks.
Buddyholly

[Rawnoc]

The product is the one trick - not Nestle. Z-trim. EOM

[buddyholly]

Raw;

When you say a one trick pony are you referring to Nestle as the one pony? Also, don't you think that with the advantages of z-trim, that Nabisco, Hershey, Mc Donald's, Burger King, etc have a piqued interest? There is also the z-bind product. Don't you think that will attract the manufacturing industry? Thanks.
Buddyholly

[Rawnoc]

Nestle mainly......but whatever other developments surface.


Raw

[buddyholly]

Raw; That's an interesting perspective. What indicators are you looking for to take the ride either way? Thanks.
Buddyholly

[Rawnoc]

CXN has an interesting story short or long. I will potentially take a position in the future.


I follow dozens of stocks with no position. How else can you take a position of confidence unless you follow and DD them first?


CXN seems to be a one trick pony that is either going to be huge or be a dream short. I want to ride the ride in whichever direction I think will happen.



Raw

[buddyholly]

Raw; I have read your posts on RB and out of curiosity; what is your stake in CXN? You claim to neither hold a position nor are you claiming to shorting the stock. The stock has gone from .04 on Jan 03 to a high of 8.92 on 2/2/04 in just over a year. It has retraced to 4.61 on 3/5/04 and is now around 6.35 with a very good potential to keep rising. Why do you post on a stock that you claim to not have any affiliation with. Thanks.
Buddyholly

[2bStealthy]

textrim, et al, re: welcoming...

The rule (iHub's) is that if you don't like someone's posts, you TOS them and then put them on ignore.

As long as we stay on subject (Circle Group) and present civility then everything will work out.

Best Regards!

[Rawnoc]

Swingtrading isn't for everyone, you are right, but we do talk about longer term plays and and some of our "swing trades" are multi-month. If nothing else, if you have a play, drop it on by! You don't have to be a swingtrader to share!


I do short stocks, but not often in this bull market and usually when I do I just buy puts for bigger caps so my risk is very little. For example, I bought some TASR puts today - a joke amount. Some of the people on Swing like to buy QQQ puts to hedge their bets.


To add an image to your post, you have to type [ chart ] www.whatever.com [ / chart ] and just leave out the spaces. Has to be either a jpeg or a gif.


Raw

[stk42]

RAW ...

I ran into it yesterday, when I was following your old posts on RB. If I was younger, I think that swing trading would be the way to go (why limit yourself to just the upside?!) I've never shorted a thing, except my finger in the socket, when I was 4.

Having a difficult time trying to add an image to my signature. HTML code doesn't seem to work and neither does /[chart/]www.image.com/pict.jpg/[/chart/] (Ignore the funny "/'s", just added so it show on the screen) Does it have to be a GIF file?

Any advice?

(Not that I want a volcano ... just want to tame the beast)

Thanks...

[Rawnoc]

Nah, just a volcano for what I hope my stocks do ;)

Check out my favorite board:

http://www.investorshub.com/boards/board.asp?board_id=1781


Raw

[stk42]

Guess I upgraded and didn't even know it ...

I notice now that I'm eligible for 18 posts, whereas I was limited to 3 a few minutes ago. I must have self-confirmed my email?! Anyway ...

I like the image posting capability (but an Anger Management image Raw? Gotta wonder where you spend after-work hours!)

I'll be curious to see what image Rippy uses (probably a sheep!)

Maybe I can start a CXN message board on my personal/hosted site, then it will be more "invitation ONLY". Let me know if that's what you want guys ... and I'll code it up. Need 10 or more people saying "YES" to make it worthwhile...