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Hi scanman: Volmme IS important [at times] but its's a bit overblown. Example: A stock closes as a new ALL-TIME high. All the stockholders are smiling. Why? Because they are ALL making money. Sure, occasionally some will take profits, but it's really hard to let go of a stock,, [or a lover] that gives you
pleasure. So volume tends to be low..and alright.
I've been trading for almost 40 years. I teach traders how to trade with a 6-hour one-on-one "Trading Seminar" spread over
three two hour sessions. I'll work with you. My e-mail is leekramer@rcn.com/...Lee
a stock rises to new all-time territory.
Leekramer, thank you for your responses. I have done well until a couple of weeks ago. I got hit hard, but still well in the money for the year. I have not traded now for two weeks. Getting hold of myself and trying to come up with a new game plan. don't want to lose this year's profits.
As I am certain you have experienced, nothing works well over a long period of time. Things change and so must I. Two weeks ago, things changed fo me. I lost, I stopped and am now trying to start at square one.
Volume. I am glad you brought up volume, because that has been my driving question over these past two weeks as I try to re-group. I know not what to do when looking at volume. I see a price rise on the daily charts and see that its on low volume. Does that mean that the rally will continue tomorrow on big volume, or continue to rise on small volume and I should get ready to short?
I see another stock drop on big volume. I ask myself, what does that mean. Will it continue to drop tomorrow on big volume, drop on small volume for a day or two and then I should go long? Hmmm. what does volume mean? I would love to pick your brains, privately by e-mail if you wish, but man am I glad to hear from someone who trades on volume. What to do with it, well, I for one dunno. I am personally at a loss as to how to interpret it.
scanman
Hi scanman have you had the time to try that software yet.
irwin
DAYTRADING: The Highs and the Woes 11/16/02
Miss Tushbumper called last night. Distraught, she told me that Doc Kronkite was in a “ terrible state.”
“New Jersey?” I asked.
“No, no,” she cried. “An emotional state.”
“Oh,” I said.
“He badly needs your help. I think he’s in crisis,” she told me.
“Again in crisis?” I said.
“Yes,” she replied.
I’m a sucker, a sap, for damsels in distress. I told her I’d help.
“You are a wonderful, compassionate human being,” she cooed, in that whiskey-throated voice that I made my heart pound and my blood flow south.
I couldn’t disagree with her assessment.
“I shall be at your office. I’ll do my best for the doc.”
I heard a grateful sob just before disconnecting.
I walked into doc’s reception room this morning, early for my scheduled appointment. Miss Tushbumper rushed over, threw her arms around me, pulled me close. I melted.
Grabbing my arm she dragged me into the doc’s office. He was lying on his lumpy leather couch, head in hands, sobbing harder than a Red Sox fan after a loss to the N.Y. Yankees.
“Doc,” I began, “Talk on me.”
“I’ll never be a day-trader,” he moaned. “I shorted all week and lost on eleven consecutive trades.”
“Mmm. I’ll have to give you a test to see what you’re doing wrong,” I said authoritatively.
“A test?” he cried. “I don’t do well on tests.”
“No problem doc. This isn’t a pass-fail test. Just a way for me to identify the problem so I can help you. Kinda like the ink-blot tests you give me, or the free-association tests.”
He shrugged, said “OK.”
“Grab your pad, sharpen your Eberhard Faber #2.”
He did as I instructed.
“Ok, question number one: What are your favorite stocks?”
“That’s an easy one,” he said smiling. AMZN, DELL, PMCS, NVDA and IBM.”
“Wrong. A trader, especially a day-trader has no favorite stocks. Ever.”
“Question Two: You check around and are told that IBM is a great company. It gaps opens at 79. Do you buy it?”
“Of course I buy it,” he shouted.
“Wrong,” I said.
“But Meldelbaum-the-fund manager told me to always stick with good companies, to trade the strong companies,” doc insisted.
And how is Mendelbaum doing? I asked, knowing that his fund was down 70% in the past two years.
“Well, he’s living in Rio now. With his secretary.”
“There is the company and there is the company stock,”
I said. “I trade the stock, never the company. I suggest you do the same.
“Question Three: You buy a stock at 20.50. An hour later the stock is at 18.50. How many shares do you buy to average down?”
“Easy. I double my position, cutting my cost basis in half,” he said grinning.
“Wrong.” I said.
“Right,” he snapped.
“Wrong.”
“Right.”
Then he threw the Eberhard #2 at me. I pulled the missile out of my forehead, wiped the blood from my eyes.
“Wrong,” I hollered. A stock down two points is a trade gone wrong. Never average down, always average up.”
“Up? Why up?” he asked, a puzzled look on his countenance. “That just increases my average cost.”
“Exactly. It also tells you that you play is working, that your trade is going right, not wrong.”
“Enough already with the wrong. Another word you should choose.”
“Question Four: You buy 3,000 shares of LGTO at 5.12 off the 5 minute chart. How long do you hold it before kicking it out?”
“Two hours. Definitely two hours. Definitely,” he said, sounding an awful lot like Dustin Hoffman’s Ray in ‘Rainman.’
“Wrong. A stock bought off a 5-minute chart should be sold in 10-15 minutes at the latest. A stock bought off a 15-minute chart should be given more time. The shorter the time frame, the shorter the stock should be held. FDRY, last Wednesday, on the 15 ran from 7.22 to 7.61 in 30 minutes. An entry at 7.25, kicked out at 7.55 is 30 points. That’s a $900 gain…a nice day-trade.
“Question Five: We are in a new bull-market? Yes or no?”
“Yes, absolutely yes,” screamed the doc.
“Wrong. To a day trader bull-markets and bear markets have no relevance; they mean nothing. You flunk the test doc.”
Doc began sobbing, wailing. Miss Tushbumper scurried in, sporting a worried look. She put her arms are the doc, kissed his cheek, plopped a Prozac, followed by a Pez in his mouth.
“It’s ok,” I told them. “All day-traders make mistakes when first they sally forth. We shall prevail.”
Two smiles appeared. Miss Tushbumper walked me out. Once again she bear hugged me. Oh the rapture, oh the joy.
“You’ll help him? At next week’s session?”
I smiled. “Certainly,” I assured her. “We have much work to do of course. But for you, anything.”
Lee Kramer
Copyright 11/16/02
I've been trading for nigh (nigh?) onto 40 years. (I came to conclude that what works best for me is a chart with volume. I can look at a chart and detect in seconds if it is tradeable. Forgive me if I sound a bit arrogant. I spent some time withe the late John Magee, co-author with Mr. Edwards of the classic "Technical Analysis of Stock Trends." Back then, (1974?)we drew charts by hand after the market closed. The story is true: John boarded up up one his windows in his Springfield, Mass. office with plywood to symbolically shut out the noise and nonsense from Wall St. He'd be apoplectic today with Maria, the analysts and all the other craziness. He was a soft spoken gentleman and helped me a great deal.
I too was with Datek. I do not have the problem you mentioned. I would think that your problem is temporary. yo might give it a coule more days...Lee Lramer
It's been about 2 years now that I've been interested in swing. I started drawing charts by hand in 1974.
MecMet: How long have you been swing trading now, and how well have you done? What approach are you using to make your profits? Are you stictly long, do you go short?
scanman
I'm not trading Krausz's strategy but it was one I looked at when I first became interested in swing. Especially when I noticed there were lots of people talking about swing but nobody had a definition I agreed with except Teresa Lo. It was through studying her that I was exposed to Krausz.
Krousz's Tradeable trends: I finally did your suggested reading today on Krousz's tradeable trends. Interesting! It seems to me that it would be good to either enter for the first time on a newly established trend, or to add to an already existing position over the longer term.
As a swing trader, I'm looking to catch break outs and reversals. On the very short term I don't think I could personally rely upon it to enter and exit a trade that way. What would you do if you get a signal to go long, then the next several bars immediately signal a short; only to get out to see its next series of ticks signal a buy again. It seems that volatile to me. One would be better off using trend lines, no?
scanman
I'm glad I could help.
I LOVE Ya! Mec Met!!!!!
I played around with what you gave me and from that created a 30 day high in Stoch!! Oh, this is sooo wonderful! Thanks, MecMet (I just love using that nick name for you).
for other Stockchart scan users, here's the formula for a 30 day high in Stochastics. From there is can be played with to do other 30 day high/low indicators in stockcharts:
and [Slow Stoch %K(14,3) > 1 day ago daily max (30,daily Slow Stoch %K(14,3))]
You have made me soooo happy!
Compared to MecMet, feeling unworthy of my tag name,
Scanman
Thanks Irwin, but it seems that few if any people there know how to run formulas in the advanced scans in Stockcharts either. If you read prior messages there, many people have already requested a better manual (including me) but the president of Chartsmarts (who presides over that bulletin board and can be quite intimidating to his users) either doesn't have the answer himself or hasn't got time to fix the problem. So, instead, he either ignores the requests or worse yet, simply lambasts you for bring up the shorcomings of his service.
Like other Chartsmanrt users, rather than tick him off any more and still get no where, I'll just continue to use my second vendor Stockfetcher for my scans, manually record the ones I am interested in and then contine to plug them into my charts list.
Darn, Stockcharts has such a great chart management site, a highly capable scan engine but no way of knowing how to program scan formulas, and no indications that this will change. What a pitty too, because if Chartsmarts can ever come up with a great scan manual or a better list of formulas, their site would be all anyone needs, and I would become their greatest advocate.
scanman
Hi scanman there is a users group here on ihub for that software http://www.investorshub.com/boards/board.asp?board_id=1277
hope they can help
Irwin
[Slow Stocastic(14,3) > 1 day ago Slow Stocastic min(30,daily Slow Stocastic(14,3))]
I'm not sure of the syntax they use to define if then conditions nor of how they call the previous value of a study but here's how to do it in an alternate language. The [1] references the previous value. And the logics slightly different than yours. It assumes if yesterday was the lowest in 30 days including today then today must be higher. Hope it helps.
if stochastic(14,3)[1] = lowest((stochastic(14,3),30) then alert = true;
So you might try something like this in stockcharts.
[1 day ago Slow Stocastic min(30,daily Slow Stocastic(14,3))]
Stockchart scans: I am trying to figure out the formula for creating things like a 30 day high and a 30 day low in Stocastics, MACD Histogram etc. in Stockcharts. The directions/manuals provided with Stockcharts are useless in this area. I repeatedly tried to get Stockcharts to consider posting a better manual or at least a couple of these type of examples on their site but all I ever get back is insults. If I could only get a few of these down, I could then create my own scans at their site rather than having to go to one of their competitors to do this.
Here's what i got, can anyone tell me if I am close?
[Slow Stocastic(14,3) > 1 day ago Slow Stocastic min(30,daily Slow Stocastic(14,3))]
If I could just get a few of these formulas for things like Slow Stocastic and MACD I can probably piece together oathers.
Thanks,
scanman
Krausz's stuff is a beginning. If indeed I recall it correctly then one of it's weaknesses is how it determines swing direction. I believe it uses 2 bars of higher lows or lower highs to establish extremes. I could be wrong about that but anyway that could be described as an absence of thrust. I think thrust is more indicative of direction than absence of thrust. Also 2 bars lags too much for me.
I don't care for his trend filter but agree it's valid and has some value. Particularly as an example of how to set up alerts.
if trend>0 and dir<0 {a pullback during an uptrend}
and L>L[1] then alert=true; {first of the 2 bar reversal requirement}
That's an early alert to a possible trend resumption, using Krausz's definitions, and again only if I remember them correctly. But that would be something for an overnight scan on daily charts. Just trying to tie it to something you're familiar with. Personally H>H[1] is a stronger indication of a resumption than L>L[1].
It's my opinion that nothing works right out of the box, the book, or off the net. Everything requires an infinite amount of patience and tweaking. But I think Krausz's swing strategy is one of the best places to start.
Hey Scanman,
I'm interested in things that can be reduced to code. Particularly swing. I'm not sure I remember Krausz's strategy but think it goes something like this.
On a small level bar direction determines swing.
if H<H[1] and H[1]<H[2] then dir= -1
else if L>L[1] and L[1]>L[2] then dir=1;
There's lots of exceptions that make that buggy. Here's a fix for one.
if dir<>dir[1] then begin
if dir>0 and H<H[1] and H[1]<H[2] then dir=dir[1]
else if dir<0 and L>L[1] and L[1]>L[2] then dir=dir[1];
end;
Tracking swing extremes is the first step toward determining trend.
if dir<0 and L<myL then begin
myL=L; myBar=currentBar;
end else if dir>0 and H>myH then begin
myH=H; myBar=currentBar;
end;
Hey mechMeth! I found the files you mentioned and downloaded them. I will take some time tonight to read through them and get up to par. Anything that resembles mechanized is a good thing for me (I think) and am interested in learning more.
In the mean time, how are you doing trading-wise? I shorted a stock on Friday and am getting clobbered. I have done real well for about 7 months. Last Friday when short early in the day in a big way - biggest position I have ever put on and now have a huge draw down. I am still holding onto my short position and still think it will come back down, or at least I hope, close to break even.
I can't imagine what is holding this market up and thought for certain that the Dow and S&P would reach their upper trend line and bounce down, racing to test old lows. Boy was I wrong (at least so far).
Any thoughts as to where you see the market now and in the near future?
Scanman
Sorry Greener. Looks lke you are two steps ahead of me.
If I come across anything else, I'll post it here. Good hunting,
Scanman
Scanman, thanks for the incredible charts sites but I had already found them. It is a great site, but the problem is that it is an Australian site and as of this date do not have U.S. Data. If I could trade Australian stocks it would be great, but I am intere4sted in DIA's and QQQ's.
Krausz has a lot of stuff on that site. I was referring to this pdf #msg-565630 which is buried under several menus. I've tested variations of it for quite awhile without hitting on a combination I would be satisfied automating but I believe the concept is valid so I'm not giving up.
Equivolume: I found the following sites that may be able to help you get some freebie charting in Equivolume. I did not research these sites much, but thought from there, since you know more about Equivolume that I do, you could wade through it faster than I can to see if its any value to you
http://www.incrediblecharts.com/online_charts/free_download.htm
http://www.incrediblecharts.com/site_map.htm
Its the best I could do, Good luck, let us know how it works out.
Scanman
I went to the site and reviewed Krausz's report that can be download in Adobe Acrobat. I am a swing trader and always looking for a way to systemitize (if there is such a word) my apporach. Much for me to take in.
MM, you say that you have created some code relating to this. How has it been working for you. How are you using in combination with your other indicators.
Much for me to think about.....
scanman
Irwin,
I've never purchased the program but I have read Krausz's book that it's based on. I've written a ton of swing code in tradestation and Krausz's implementation is an interesting starting point. I'm open to the idea of discussing modifications to his strategy if anyone has any thoughts along those lines.
I'd highly recommend studying the graphics on that website. I think he has some free .pdf manuals that disclose the entire strategy.
Regards, MM
Equivolume is Richard Arms method of charting price and volume right on the bar...each bar has a width (similar to candle sticks) in relation to its volume. Richard Arms developed the TRIN or ARMS index
Hi scanman here is another program to look over.
http://www.fibonaccitrader.com/fibonaccitrader.htm
Good luck
Irwin
I am not a daytrader, although I have done so. And I am not always around to trade, either. So I do it when I can.
Stockchart users: I want to thank the two stockchart users who sent me private e-mails in support of the ideas and results to date behind this new bulletin board. Although they are not writing to this board (at least as of yet) , both state they are reading it and like what they see here. Your vote of confidence is much appreciated. And its fine with me if all you do is come here to read what others have to say. No need to feel guilt. Simply enjoy and or participate to whatever level you feel comfortable with.
One of these users has asked if I would give what I beleive is a work-around to the ever annoying problem in stockcharts' advanced scan feature in which you lose all of your new or edited formulas when you select "Add/Modify Current Scan" or"Check Syntax". When faced with this problem, Stockcharts recommends you do the following:
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"Often, but not always, you can free up System Resources by closing down other programs or browser windows that you aren't using. Sometime however, restarting your computer is the only way - thus our recommendation.
If restarting your computer does cause "strange" problems to go away, look hard into reducing the number of other windows that are open while you are working with your scans...."
Well, thats fine. But, let me tell you a work-around that I uncovered that is clean, simple and to date consistenly works for me:
1) Go ahead and create or edit your existing scan in the AUI window as you normally would.
2) Change it as often as you want but do DO NOT, ever, I repeat DO NOT EVER! select "Add/Modify Current Scan" NOR "Check Syntax' UNTIL you FIRST
A) click your mouse outside the script box but still on the
page (e.g. click on the white space just outside and to the
right of the script box) and
B) then press your "return" key.
3) Once that is done you can go ahead and select either the - "Add/Modify" or the "Check Syntax" choices and you will not lose your work.
It works for me, I hope it works for you. If it does, and the moment strikes ya, join in, tell us it worked (or even if it didn't work) ask a question, give a comment or just let us know what's on your mind. Your input is always welcome here.
Good trading,
Scanman
Carolyn, I definately am going to look into your broker. Today I got cut off and could not log back on to Ameritrade for about 30 minutes. I was so frustrated that I simply closed out of my trade (yes, still at a profit but at 1/3 of my target profit - which I see by intraday date was also hit). It was so bad that I didn't trade for the rest of the day. Do you trade often? Daily, weekly?
Thanks for your suppgestion,
Scanman
Greener: I'm sorry to say that I don't think I know what Equivolume is. There are so many different technical studies now, and they are starting to acquire so many variations, that its getting hard for me to track them all. Perhaps, if you could tell me a bit about what it is, mayby I can also look around for you.
Thanks for posting your question,
Scanman
does anyone know of a free chart site that offers Equivolume charts. Stockcharts,com is an excellent site but I realy like to see a site that has the Equivolume capability. Thanks
Yes, for about a year now. And, yes, I have used Ameritrade. There is no comparison. IB so much better.
Thank you very much. That sounds like a good suggestion. I began trading maybe a single round trip about once per week, but now do anywhere from one to four round trips per day. I will definately look into it.
Oh, PS, pcquote also has 20 days of intra day data for free as well. So its a good back up in tough times like this.
Thanks, everyone, this bulletin board is doing whatI hoped it would do, bring trders together so we can all share and help each other through the learning curves quickly. Why should only the pros get to share insights, together we can help each other keep our profits up and our loses down!
Good trading everyone,
Scanman
I use myTrack (www.myTrack.com)
They have a no-frills trading website I use when away from home.
They do provide free 'direct access' software (no browser required), that is very quick. R/T charts, Streaming quotes, Level II, option chains etc. are available. Depending on how much you trade per month, you recieve a rebate that may cover the price of the service plan you choose. If you have an account with them, the basic service plan is free. You can also send an 'electronic check' to open/increase account & use those funds the next day.
Jim
Stockcharts is down this AM. so it looks like I will need to at least have a backup chart vendor. So,o I will definately make it my business to do the trial on Smartcharts this weekend.
Also, I just visited Marketscreen.com as well. They are a little more pricy, but also seem to have nice charts and scanning package. If they are reliable, price won't be that big an issue for me. Has anyone had any experience with both Smartcharts and Marketscreen and have any type of comparative knowledge, experience or preferences?
Thanks, everyone for your fine input,
Scanman