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VK2735 has specific liver fat reduction properties that are promising. See #msg-173042423. Time will tell if it also has an a "clinically meaningful" effect on fibrosis like the dual GLP1-GIP agonist trizepatide which does not exist as an oral.
Picking any small molecule GLP1 is not likely to be as effective.
Thanks for the link to the full article. They say it costs $70,000 to make a kilogram of semaglutide which implies 7 cents per mg. for material. It appears to me they are indeed neglecting the capital involved for building the factory which is not trivial.
“The outgoing CEO of AlmataBio (the private company AVTX is acquiring) is Patrick Crutcher, who used to be a co-moderator of this message board.”
Very cool. Sounds like he is going to make out quite well. The company is due 7.5 M in cash now and 5M upon dosing the first patient into phase 2 which is a near certainty, along with stock valued at 15M. Another 15M (cash and or stock ) if it makes it to phase 3. Good for him.
We might get a more definitive answer to this now that GSK might be incentivized to bear the cost of a large trial. The upside to their Shingrix franchise would be very significant if positive.
A corollary here is that if you have a small molecule drug with lower efficacy but very clean safety and distinct MOA (i.e. combinable with a GLP-1 backbone) it might be written off by analysts due to efficacy when in fact it could have tremendous value in combination. That would be an entry I might eye in this area bc right now I’m late to the party and valuations are sky high. I have no idea what regimens will ultimately win the day but at least that would be an under appreciated entry
VTRS Investor Day slide deck shows 2026 as “anticipated launch date” for Botox-biosimilar collaboration with RVNC:
https://investor.viatris.com/static-files/b01a07f3-e549-4522-8480-c31b359a6a4f (slide #14)
If this pans out it will generate material cash flow for RVNC in the next couple of years. The collaboration has $70M of remaining clinical and regulatory milestone payments. The collaboration also has up to $225M of sales-based milestones, although these presumably won’t be triggered until later in the decade.
IBIO—A second company issued a PR today mentioning both AI and obesity drugs—and it was good for a +192% move:
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ibio-astralbio-announce-transformative-ai-110000784.html
Caveat emptor, LOL.
Loosely similar PR from 2020: #msg-155310524.
Here you go friend: https://archive.ph/Nh2Yq
Given what we now know about Viking's subQ and oral data, what price could the company command in a potential bidding war? $20B? $25B?
AVTX is +250% in AH trading. The outgoing CEO of AlmataBio (the private company AVTX is acquiring) is Patrick Crutcher, who used to be a co-moderator of this message board.
This deal is structured as a regular-way merger, but it’s conceptually a reverse-merger insofar as AVTX’s lead asset is the one they just licked up from AlmataBio.
$avtx
$PDSB
$PDSB management team is living the dream with shareholders like this person.
— Adam Feuerstein ✡️ (@adamfeuerstein) March 27, 2024
Please, take more of my money!!!! pic.twitter.com/Y3eKD50H2L
NVO Ozempic costs- Bloomberg ran a similar story but most of it is behind a paywall and I don't subscribe. Here was the headline there:
WorstLuck
The key to me is that they're spending $1.47 in Q4 ($1.58 last year) for every $1.00 in sales after one year. So if the RHA is not growing it'll put more pressure on Daxi before we see any return.
Market watch ( as of 3/15/24) = % OF FLOAT SHORTED
17.93%
Ozempic manufacturing costs could be 89c per month, study finds
Novo Nordisk's (LLY) Ozempic could be manufactured for 89c to $4.73 for one month's supply, according to an investigation published in JAMA Network Open.
The study asks what prices of insulins, sodium-glucose cotransporter inhibitors and glucagonlike peptide 1 agonists could be if they were closer to the cost of production. "High prices limit access to newer diabetes medicines in many countries. The findings of this study suggest that robust generic and biosimilar competition could reduce prices to more affordable levels and enable expansion of diabetes treatment globally," the paper states.
The study argues that prices could decrease to $1.30 per month for treatment with SGLT2Is and under 75c for treatment with GLP1As. Further price reductions will likely become possible once a robust global generic and biosimilar market emerges, it adds.
Read more at:
https://thefly.com/n.php?id=3888598
On the CC , it was like the 3rd rail seeing not 1 of the analysts ( respectable peeps,-GS, MS, RJ, etc.) asked( if my recall is correct) …mgmt didn’t even guide (LYFGENIA- sickle cell) with clarity other than to say 50% of the 85-100 patient starts across 62 qualified treatment centers (QTCs) …a Q&A regarding TAM ( worldwide-all 3 fda approved indications ) was mid single digits ( ~3B+I believe)… so it’s wait and see what Q1, 24’ conf call suggests..
My take away is that they are going at this alone
( US) and will consider collaborating in other countries once they understand Payers & Regulations and who to dance with ….
Market digesting late 10k /amend and maybe short covering perhaps( thought I saw 15-18%)
What is BLUE’s guidance with respect to attaining profitability?
Yes(accounting screw-ups), AND this management burns exorbitant amounts of cash consistently, but the Hercules Credit Facility should provide runway until Q1, 2026 per CC 🙏
Q1/2, 24’ should be decent considering several patients (ZYNTEGLO, SKYSONA) starts (cell collections) and Sickle cell( LYFGENIA) in Q3/4…
Hopefully Kevin Tang continues to build position(~1.7mm sh), as well as other Funds…
This kind of reminds me of RV*C, not sure what Rollout has been worse! ( and perhaps Mgmt) :(
However, Long both and accumulating 🙏
PIRS terminates all R&D—becomes royalty-collection vehicle:
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/pieris-pharmaceuticals-announces-strategy-maximize-120000564.html
Recent Biotech Bankruptcies/Liquidations/Dissolutions
[Added AMPE, BTTX, GMDA, and NBSE.]
*Emerged from bankruptcy as FCSC.
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Company Date Reference
ADLS 5/11 #msg-62813901
AFFY 6/14 #msg-103663749
AGIX 1/09 #msg-35019458
AKAO 4/19 #msg-148227772
ALNA 9/22 #msg-169875553
ALPIX.PA 11/23 #msg-173275218
ALTU 11/09 #msg-43509933
AMB.TO 8/09 #msg-40145970
AMPE 4/24 #msg-174111257
ANSV 1/10 #msg-45161615
ARAV 1/24 #msg-173646720
ARDM 2/19 #msg-146903332
ARLZ 8/18 #msg-142824112
ARNI 12/17 #msg-137120846
ARTE 12/08 #msg-33895436
ASP.TO 1/23 #msg-171046860
ATHX 1/24 #msg-173589749
ATNX 5/23 #msg-171913749
AXLA 12/23 #msg-173374718
BAXS 11/14 #msg-108147336
BCART.BR 9/23 #msg-172903024
BIND 5/16 #msg-122328088
BIOA 5/18 #msg-140549553
Biolex 7/12 #msg-77324773
BPUR 7/09 #msg-39629524
BTTX 3/24 #msg-174037486
BVTI‡ 3/13 #msg-85440257
CALA 1/23 #msg-170898055
CBIO 6/22 #msg-169273606
CDAK 3/23 #msg-171544942
CJB.TO 7/10 #msg-52557510
CHKT 12/08 #msg-33949508
CLSC 8/09 #msg-40685152
CLVS 12/22 #msg-170599077
CRXT 9/22 #msg-170229149
CWBR 11/23 #msg-173138450
DCGN 11/09 #msg-43629379
DDXS 6/16 #msg-123229557
DMK 2/24 #msg-173773814
DNDN 11/14 #msg-108004147
DXTR 12/17 #msg-136829445
Egenix 1/15 #msg-109921347
ENDP 8/22 #msg-169707980
Epix† 7/09 #msg-39900524
EPRS 7/16 #msg-123687350
EYES 6/20 #msg-156388471
FRTX 9/23 #msg-172854853
GMDA 3/24 #msg-174125313
GNCA 5/22 #msg-168957883
GNTA 8/12 #msg-78123007
GTOP 9/08 #msg-32249160
HEMA 4/12 #msg-74167597
HGEN 7/23 #msg-172432338
HSTO 9/23 #msg-172847239
ILIU 7/17 #msg-133264435
IMMG 8/17 #msg-134305213
IMNP 2/19 #msg-146936897
IMV 5/23 #msg-171814610
INFI 10/23 #msg-172941539
Inspiration 10/12 #msg-81024196
INSY 6/19 #msg-149302493
Introgen†† 12/08 #msg-33947783
Isolagen* 6/09 #msg-38746197
KBIO 12/15 #msg-119489701
KLDO 4/22 #msg-168491485
KV.A 8/12 #msg-78203130
LBPS 6/22 #msg-169255625
LHDX 2/22 #msg-171275021
LIAN 2/24 #msg-173835088
LMDX 12/23 #msg-173530663
MACK 2/24 #msg-173845049
MBRK 4/10 #msg-49658072
MBVX 3/19 #msg-151985211
MIIS 11/08 #msg-33720220
MIPI 12/10 #msg-57646943
MLNT 12/19 #msg-153074747
MNK 10/20 #msg-158843178
MRV.TO 3/23 PR link
NBSE 3/24 #msg-174119874
NEXI 11/23 #msg-173152495
NMTI 4/11 #msg-62251315
NMTR 7/23 SEC link
NOVN 7/23 #msg-172361873
NRGX 3/12 #msg-73415156
NRX 5/16 #msg-122331475
NSTG 2/24 #msg-173773766
NVDL 2/17 #msg-128923029
NVIV 2/24 #msg-173755991
NVLN 1/20 #msg-153111867
NVTA 2/24 #msg-173844970
OBSN.SW 2/24 #msg-173937364
ODT 3/21 #msg-162706983
ONCR 6/23 #msg-172037432
ONCS 6/23 #msg-172145325
OREX 3/18 #msg-139213097
ORPH 3/22 #msg-168169591
OSCI 7/09 #msg-39511719
OTIC 12/22 #msg-170737355
PEAR 4/23 #msg-171639648
PHAS 10/22 #msg-170272758
PLXP 4/23 #msg-171677346
PROMO.ST 10/23 #msg-173007859
PTX 2/19 #msg-146937356
PYMX 4/13 #msg-86313192
PZRX 12/17 #msg-136794351
QTNT 12/22 #msg-170676963
RCPI 8/16 #msg-127560117
REX 11/08 #msg-32189097
ROKA 8/17 #msg-133945967
ROSG 6/18 #msg-141797330
RUBY 2/22 #msg-171270235
RVALL 1/20 #msg-153358221
RVLP 10/23 #msg-173007859
RXPC 7/14 #msg-104103329
SCLX 2/23 #msg-171193757
SGYP 12/18 #msg-145394802
SIEN 2/24 #msg-173834941
SIGA 9/14 #msg-106313111
SIOX 12/22 #msg-170699458
SNNA 9/19 #msg-151196707
SPHS 5/20 #msg-155712447
SRGA 6/23 #msg-172201878
SRNE 2/23 #msg-171193757
SVNT 10/13 #msg-92997648
TDLP 6/11 #msg-64744114
TLCV 12/09 #msg-44751578
TMBR 11/23 #msg-173254229
TOMDF 12/23 #msg-173490278
TPPH 2/08 #msg-26765260
VION 12/09 #msg-44654555
VLRX 2/20 #msg-153741993
VRA 10/07 #msg-18053275
VRAY 7/23 #msg-172361873
VVUS 7/20 #msg-156752080
ZSAN 6/22 #msg-169035970
GMDA—(-82%)—announces “packaged bankruptcy” recapitalization:
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/gamida-cell-announces-commencement-restructuring-110000176.html
AVIR completes enrollment of phase-3 COVID trial—cancels interim analyses:
https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2024/03/27/2853010/0/en/Atea-Pharmaceuticals-Completes-Patient-Enrollment-in-Global-Phase-3-SUNRISE-3-Trial-Evaluating-Oral-Antiviral-Bemnifosbuvir-for-COVID-19-in-High-Risk-Patients.html
Jbog: I have no idea on RHA. Expanding Daxi sales would seem to be a driver of sales there, no?
HOTH cites AI and obesity drugs_in_same_PR and gets only a 3% bump, LOL:
Lots of differing opinions on how much muscle loss comes with weight loss and for what reason. Obviously, you will get different percentages based on what your base BMI is but then it is be affected by lots of factors like how much exercise one does while in caloric deficit and/or how much protein is consumed.
I posted on ALT claim as I believe going forward, how much muscle is lost while on a weight loss drug will become a battleground between different drugs and an important market segment. Their specific claim was "only 25.5% from lean mass, comparable to the effects historically associated with weight loss from diet and exercise programs,” Anecdotally, I believe the general consensus is that 30%-40% of the typical weight loss for an obese individual is muscle. (BTW- A big problem occurs when people yo-yo back up as the weight they put back on is disproportionately higher in fat) . An article I reference below says the muscle loss figure is one third, so take your pick as to what an "average/typical" number is.
How do these lean tissue numbers compare to VKTX and other drugs in this space
Our data show that 74.5% of weight loss was derived from adipose tissue and only 25.5% from lean
Altimmune Announces Positive Lean Mass Preservation Data for Pemvidutide along with 4thQ/yearend results:
FDA approves MRK’s Winrevair—(sotatercept)—for PAH:
https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20240326077272/en
This is the first approved drug for PAH that is thought to be disease modifying. MRK acquired sotatercept in the $11.5B buyout of XRLN in 2021 (#msg-166156870).
RVNC
Thanks. See #msg-174114321 for more color on the same topic.
$VKTX conference call done- Summary
— Pharmdca (@Pharmdca) March 26, 2024
1) Safety profile similar to placebo even at high dose of 40mg
2) Expecting higher dose cohorts, no disclosure on how many in ph2
3) High placebo effect due to small N and diarrhea in placebo arm
4) Expecting placebo effect to move back…
$VKTX there’s seems to be no side effects with oral drug even at high doses
— Pharmdca (@Pharmdca) March 26, 2024
Profile like placebo
Remember- $VKTX is the only, only dual agonist and GIP agonist helping with counterbalancing GI side effects
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NBSE prepares for dissolution:
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1173281/000110465924038432/tm249597-1_pre14a.htm
NKTX 9.87 - the April19-$10-Call Option is currently bidding at $1.10. Their recent K filing showed $5+ cash remaining and they just secondaried at $10 which should put them well above $5+ cash per share accompanied by some upcoming inevitable touting...one can only hope the option premiums remain this high?
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/nkarta-announces-pricing-240-million-103000060.html
New and existing investors participated in the offering, including Adage Capital Partners LP, Boxer Capital, Commodore Capital, Cormorant Asset Management, an affiliate of Deerfield Management, EcoR1 Capital, Janus Henderson Investors, OrbiMed, RA Capital Management, Ridgeback Capital Investments, Samsara BioCapital, SR One, and a leading mutual fund.
BLUE—(-13%)—discloses accounting screw-up—issues 2024 patient-start guidance:
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/bluebird-bio-reports-fourth-quarter-110100135.html
VKTX up 20%, enta up 17% riding its coattails (just kidding i have no clue why enta also up today could be something on the legal front but nothing obvious that I can find https://www.pacermonitor.com/public/case/44980990/Enanta_Pharmaceuticals,_Inc_v_Pfizer_Inc)
FIXX—>QTTB, pursuant to previously announced reverse-merger:
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/q32-bio-announces-closing-of-merger-with-homology-medicines-and-concurrent-private-placement-of-42-million-302098557.html
MRNA’s next-gen COVID vaccine produces_stronger immune response_than Spikevax:
https://www.accesswire.com/846784/moderna-achieves-positive-interim-results-from-phase-3-trial-of-next-generation-covid-19-vaccine
The next-gen vaccine, mRNA-1283, also has a longer shelf life and less onerous storage requirements compared to Spikevax.
OT
VKTX cc on VK2735 was very well received by the analyst community. Most seemed amazed by the tolerability/safety results. Here are some initial thoughts:
Viking Therapeutics Announces Results from Phase 1 Clinical Trial of Oral Tablet Formulation of Dual GLP-1/GIP Receptor Agonist VK2735
https://ir.vikingtherapeutics.com/2024-03-26-Viking-Therapeutics-Announces-Results-from-Phase-1-Clinical-Trial-of-Oral-Tablet-Formulation-of-Dual-GLP-1-GIP-Receptor-Agonist-VK2735
Insider-trading trial against Medivation executive tests_the_definition_of_the_term:
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/sec-tests-insider-trading-theory-000517436
AMPE voluntarily delists—prepares for likely liquidation:
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ampio-announces-voluntary-delisting-sec-210000274.html
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