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Ehh, superman and many others have had alot of success pumping NASDAQ low floaters in the past.
They are going to need to find something to move more than a few %'s. I predict if they do this it will only make APS money for the first pick (will not make any of their followers anything). Followers don;t make anything, no-one is going to jump in the next one. Fail.
They are going to need to somehow stick to penny's where they can manipulate or they are done.
Interesting... Thanks
Read the emails this morning. In case you missed it, their new strategy will be to use their list to pump NYSE/big board stocks. I'm guessing they will either load up on the stock before they release, and then sell into the spike or they will buy calls and bank on the run up after releasing. Even with the size of their list, they could still only move a larger stock a very few %, but that could still translate to big $$ in options. Obviously it could be some combination of the two. The main risk is what we saw with some of Lebed's (NIA) picks. Analyst at investment banks could catch wind of what is going on and then issue downgrades on the stock. Also, im not sure if it will be easier for the SEC to track the pumpers down on the NYSE, NASDAQ etc if they dont accurately disclose everything they need to when they release.
True Chris, they will just use a different name. No way will they give up this money making scheme.... Hopefully with new name they are a little more generous...
I seriously doubt they people behind the scams will actually walk away from the business. If nothing else they will "re-invent" themselves under a new name but im sure the same old antics will be used. Scams have been going on for much longer than the stock market has, and I doubt any govt will ever be able to weed out all of the snakes from the field of grass so to speak.
RIP this board as well.
Zerohedge on pennystocks:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-10-08/greater-idiots-are-saved-twtrq-changes-its-ticker
Can someone please correct my theory:
The power grab is complete. If the fed ever doesnt get its way, they stop pumping and the stock market goes bye bye. Anybody in political office will be then thrown out by the people. An unelected unaccountable body now literally owns every politician in america.
Is it ironic that learning about how pump and dump scams work for the last few years is the best training possible fot umderstanding how the real economy now works?
what is wrong with a 3M bid??? YOu see it in the big boards all the time. a 10k bid of AAPL as they are selling out on the offer. Black boxes HFT machines do bid spoofing all the time, cancelling 10,000 times a day
I know they have tracked down scammers in the past, so im sure they have ways of doing whatever they want in the course of an investigation. The only problem with what you said is that sometimes I think those bids may be real, I think one of the scammers tactics is to try to trap large people or mm's short, so they lure them in with a big multi million share bid on a stock anybody with a brain knows is worthless and when someone falls for the trap, they commence whatever it is they do to run up the price and sqeeze whoever they caught short.
Can't the SEC/FINRA track where the large 3miilion, 5million share bids are placed from? Very simple way of catching APS and team.
These guys are smart and obviously have other offshore accounts that are placing these bids. But, why not locate those large bidders, wiretap their calls and locate APS once communication is made (obviously will be a timely investigation, but all their past picks should be sufficient evidence put in-front of a judge to give such authorization. "Protection of the people" -and a million other counts of fraud
LOL! Have a great trip~ I love this msg board...but barely have time to post here...since I mostly concentrate on $.000x POS~ So most of the time, I do 99% reading here and barely 1% posting~
"Hi Everyone,
Unfortunately, this morning’s news regarding the Order of Suspension of Trading in the Securities of PacWest Equities, Inc. is not how anyone of us though we would start the day."
Aka, why you dont hold pumps for multiple days...
APS premium is pumping PWEI
I would normally be buying, but im mobile and cant trade.
also, this is a repump of an old VM pump, and its a pinkie. be careful.
APS premium stock saying they will release at 9:30 am tomorrow.
they could still release today, the email was too vague about the amount of time it will be delayed.
4 realz this time... APS delayed:
"Due to technical issues, we will have to delay our pick. It has come to our attention that some of our previous newsletters were going to spam box and we want to ensure that all our premium members receive our newsletters"
...and PVEN (top speculated pick) crashes in ...3...2...1...
SORRY, APS not delayed, got fed some bad info!
Hey everybody. As Im sure you know the new aps/vm should be hitting soon as per their emails. They waited signifigantly longer between pumps than normal this time. This increased google marketing timespan should help shift the ratio of suckers to traders in a positive direction. Ie, if 500 suckers see and sign up for their adds each day, having 5x as many days between pumps can help bring in more people than normal on day 1.
Obviously ill be trying to get long asap when it hits.
Haha, free money atm open for a limited time, coming soon!
You mean APS alerted AAPL in 1980...
lol
lol, we alerted AAPL in 1980!!
Since when did APS alert LOTE and FNMA?
That's what they claim on their website LOL
fyi, reading a public blog post with everything spelled out for you is being spoon fed (in case you missed the true meaning of the last post!)
learning how he figured out how he learned what he did, and using it yourself in the future is not being spoon fed, that is how you become profitable!
Taking it to the next level would be to figure out ways of getting info that are not already known and widely used!
Just wanted to pass on this awesome blog post that really shows what it takes to be a successful trader. research research research. If something is spoon fed to you, its probably not going to make you money!
http://www.goodetrades.com/2013/08/the-alkaline-water-co-wter-to-be-promoted-by-francis-gaskins/
fyi, a p&d company could only spend 20k and still not be lying (illegal) when they say they will spend "up to" $3 million
So... Anybody wanna buy some XUII.... Anybody... Bueler..?
yawn... TBX pumped BLUF this am. At least they let a FEW people in before it hit its peak at 9:39. Still on the crap list...
Just saw this article, and its one of the funniest things ive ever seen. Idk if its true or not. Making smart and/or winning "trading" decisions should not be confined to the stock market. Try to apply sound judgement like this to every aspect of your life.
http://laluttecontinue.tumblr.com/post/20069287160/a-letter-from-jp-morgan-ceo-to-gold-diggers
Haha, until the feds pull the rug!
Yup, just like with GWBU. Just trying to warn peeps about the chances of it hitting that goal (if they didnt already know!)
The parabolic last pump was to get all the sheep talking and excited for the next one IMO... It's impressive if u can ride it up and know when to exit before APS yells timber... APS always wins no matter what tho #houseodds
still effing impressive to .75 I don't care it didnt hit $1. $1 was an imaginary unicorn anyway
who would have guessed... XUII didnt meet the price target...
re: XUII, last time APS made price promises like this, the price got within 10% of the target and crashed. aka, 90% of the way there from when they first made the promise. Also, thats not much history to base things on (one instance), but its still good to keep in the back of your head.
Aps- "oh my guuurd! We are at war with the shorts!"
Shhh! Lets keep that little bit of info between us!
What? People like these ALWAYS tell their marks not to divulge the Secret Info to anyone. That's how they make sure the rumor will spread like wildfire.
And the guy has nothing to do with APS.
Chris.....I just read the last few posts - and to be honest. I do not know what to make of it.
1. The person who posted is not new and would know better. Why would they post on a board here and say the guy told him NOT to tell anyone on the other board that they are pulling it???
2. I can't believe anyone from APS would call and say BTW, don't tell anyone but we are going to put out a promo on XXXXX company
?????
Strangest thing I ever heard - If that was true, the guy could get sued for insider info - DUH
Almost sounds like what happened with RARS about 2 years ago - Flew to .59 on a false rumor......crashed to 2 cents in about 24 hours - that might not be exactly correct, but TRUST me, the .59 is - and so was the collapse in about 24 hours or so...
This is crazy c*ap..
I couldn't help but reply to that moronic post. It's crazy what people will do for a buck
Lol, heard that!
Its hilarious people even try that kinda bs. I dont know of anybody dumb enough to fall for it.
George Sharp will get them all....
Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Lol weak! Barack obama told me they were pumping ES again, oh wait....
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Control your impatience! You're probably not going to die tomorrow! There will be another play just around the corner. Don't take low risk/reward trades. At best, you're just feeding your broker commissions, at worst - you can lose your shirt! You have many more years to live and trade.
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BE CAREFUL WHO YOU LISTEN TO!
Many people who run boards are nothing more than high schoolers! There are even people on ihub who are dumb enough to think that a single poster can influence AAPL's stock prices!!
ex: Re: a trader who trades AAPL stock by Kaiser Soze
"he goes short THEN alerts his flock so they go short, moving the price in a direction favorable to the alerting party. If they know they can influence the price action, it removes all their risk. They win on the trade plus bank subscription fees"
madaznfootballer says:
Make your own decisions. Do NOT buy just because the promoter or anyone else told you to! Don't be a kool aid drinker!
Before executing a trade, ask yourself, "Why am I buying/selling this stock?" If you can't answer that question logically and rationally, you probably shouldn't be making the trade. No ifs or buts.
Play the MOMO. When there's no volume/liquidity, its very hard to get in or out of a stock. Also, when theres no volume (i.e. during consolidation periods), there's no sellers but there's also no buyers . This allows for a good opportunity for someone with a large position such as the promoter or the company to dump shares and cause instant panic selling. This is how you avoid dumps on promoted stocks, by selling on the way up while there is still liquidity!
Always be prepared and know the stock you're playing like the back of your hand. Study the charts, know key support and resistance levels and note the volume. Is the volume increasing? Is it decreasing? Playing a stock unprepared is like attempting to taking the university final exam without studying.
"In a sideways trading market, no one wins."
"Sometimes the best trade, is no trade."
All traders must develop trading rules and trading rules must be followed.
Some of my rules include:
Only trade when the odds are in your favor. If you are not sure, then do not trade. Never chase the price up, never trade on emotions, always cut losses early, do not over trade, and never trade with more than you can afford to lose. A small gain is always better than any loss. If you do have a big loss, forget about it, remain logical and move on.
If you plan to trade beyond the first few days of a big promo you must study and understand all aspects that influence the PPS. Some of these examples include the newsletters, PRs, previous ticker history, chart patterns, L2, bid support, outside catalyst, and (most important) understand how other traders will react to these factors. It is important to realize that APS promos work in stages and different types of traders influence the price during each of these stages.
The dump does not happen at the end of these big promos, it starts with the first person who buys. The crash occurs when they stop supporting the bid.
Never invest more than what you are willing to lose. Although the big promo groups can be very profitable, you might never know what will happen in the future, and might lose part of your investment.
Set a goal of how much money you want to make with your investment, and try to bleed as less as possible the account, until that goal has been reached. This will ensure you get to that goal much faster.
Greed kills. If you are up big you need to either exit the position or have a target price. If you keep thinking, "oh just a few more moves up and I will sell...", eventually you will get caught in the dump and not be able to exit your position since everyone else is selling. Gains will be lost at an extremely fast rate.
Almost every penny stock is a scam. No matter what anyone on ihub tells you, the company is still likely a scam. What I mean by scam is that the company is in the business of selling shares to the public. No matter how good the company sounds, it is likely it is just in the business of selling shares. This is why the next rule is important...
Going "long" (long term hold) on any penny stock is stupid. Get in, turn profit, and get out! Most of these stocks eventually head down to .000x or file for bankruptcy. If you want a long term hold look at the big boards for them.
NEVER AVERAGE DOWN. Set a tight stop, mental or stop order, and execute it. Averaging down usually leads to more losses. If you have a tight stop, you can cut losses and worst case only be out a small amount of money.
Penny stocks are not for investing, they are for gambling. Don't use money you can't afford to lose and expect to lose it all, just like a casino.
KnownProphet says:
I'll give you a little sign to tell you that you should know it's time to take some out of the game. When you start picking up a calculator multiple times a day, and multiplying out wild fantasy share prices by the number of shares you hold- you're losing your grip on reality, and you best take some of your profits. That kind of thinking blocks rational decision making and will have you losing money on these things every time. Good Luck, there aint a reason in the world to not come out of these green, 100% of the time.
Chubs says:
Yabba Dabba Doo!
Ragnarokstocks Says:
If everyone used common sense and didn't get so impatient, everyone would be rich. That's not possible, so it's obvious that some people are naturally going to be better at this than others.
THINGS THAT HAVE MADE ME MONEY IN STOCKS:
- Anticipating a big play, and buying in big and quickly, and then patiently waiting for it to increase in value. Current promotions that suddenly become undervalued work as well.
THINGS THAT HAVE LOST ME MONEY IN STOCKS:
- Trying to front run promoters and being impatient, flipping position every day or multiple times a day - buying the ask, and selling on the bid. Generally, being Hammy the Squirrel.
Dude Iligence says:
Concerning TBX plays:
1. Don't buy into the hype of the first day when the pps is already up several hundred percent.
2. If you violate rule 1 and do buy the first day and it goes up several hundred percent sell with a profit.
3. If you violate rules 1 and 2 and the pps drops till your flat, SELL IMMEDIATELY.
4. If you violate rules 1,2, and 3 and the pps drops below what you paid for it. SELL IMMEDIATELY THE TRADE IS NOT GOING AS YOU PLANNED. Take a small loss. You can always buy back cheaper. And with more shares.
5. If you violate rules 1,2,3,and 4 look in the mirror and say I'm a stupid bagholder and this sucks and I don't ever want to be a bagholder again.
6. If you violate rules 1,2,3,4 and 5 you need remedial bagholder training and should consider Mutual Funds.
PacoLoco says:
10. Never trust anything a promoter promises you
This one is pretty much common sense but all promoters lie. They will tell you the stock is going to $200 a share when it currently is trading for 50 cents. Take their emails with a grain of salt and only uses them to gage how the masses will react to it and whether or not the promoter is throwing in the towel.
9. Limit your greed
We all want that 1000% profit but the truth is that doesn't always happen. The motto of the board is make 50% each trade which is a very good guideline.
8. Ask for help
We all want to make a lot of money in the market but you would be surprised, there are a lot of good people out there that will be glad to help you.
7. Learn who to trust!
This goes a long with #8. Yes there are a lot of good people but there are also a ton of scum on message boards with agendas.
6. Make your own decisions!
Again going along with #8 and #7. Ultimately you are responsible for your own actions even with good guidance. You have to take their advice as a tool on your belt and not as gospel.
5. Never trade without L2
I kinda already knew that I needed this in the beginning but the posts about L2 activity really helped confirm what I was seeing and helped me judge the ebb and flow of each ticker.
4. Do not chase a promo!
I fell victim to this recently in PVTA where I get the ticker at .36 and before I was able to place my order for .40 (3 seconds) it was already at .45 and climbing. I finally got in at .586 and sold at .525. I lost money because I chased.
3. All Promoters are not created equal
There is a huge difference in the quality of promoters. When I first started I didn't know APS from my elbow. I would have fell victim to many lower grade promoters if I didn't have this board. I would have been thinking their promos would run at least a few days and not 5 minutes. Luckily I never had this problem.
2. Do not drink the Kool-Aid
The very first stock I played I lost out on 400% gains because I bought into all the Kool-Aid of the ticker board. Ticker boards are not to be trusted and should only be used to gage the overall atmosphere of the masses. Any amount of pumping is to be expected there. If there is aggressive pumpers bashing anyone that says anything less then to da moon or weeee you should probably run. 80% of those on tickers have agendas, 10% are future bag holders, and 10% are honest people in my opinion.
1. LOCK IN PROFITS!
Almost every trader has had a stock where they were up big at some point. I am not going to tell you how to trade but if you aren't comfortable with riding free shares and taking your profits off the table then you should probably be selling the whole shebang before most.
Recap of APS Promos with details:
http://www.promobuyer.net/awesome
Current APS Promotion With Compensation Amounts:
http://stockpromoters.com/
A Good Level 2 Tutorial
Tim Alerts Chat Room:
(Great way to get alerts and to know when that stock you are in is about to get the shit shorted out of it)
http://profit.ly/?aff=895
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