Algaeboy,

Sorry to hear that you haven't traded this name more ..... but I understand it isn't everyone's cup of tea.

As noted previous, I have no doubts the algae and the molecular isolates (new discovery) do work and have significant impacts in multiple areas but most notably as you note ... with inflammation. It is the root cause of numerous human and animal health issues. I used to get Proalgazyme way back when for a family member with IBS issues. Cleared that issue up rather nicely. The applications are immense.

It is my opinion and has been for a long time that ZIVO has some answers to some huge health problems but has been completely mismanaged and never has had the right people in place to make it happen. And IMO there is no reason beyond ineptitude why this hasn't already been scaled for neutraceutical / ingredient options. I understand to a point that certain things needed to be protected first but there was nothing but excuses for years.

Your story on the industry and desperation for new non antibiotic options is true and widely known. Yet here ZIVO is with an answer and yet still sits trying to make a deal. The mastitis tests with Dairy Experts .... Zoetis hand picked CRO .... were positive as far as I know and other positive impacts observed .... but tabled. I believe some of that was ZIVO still hadn't ID'd the molecule at that point. Part of the problem with the industry is the good ole boy pharma network and money train. I believe Zoetis wanted synthetic version to make therapeutic or vaccine which I don't think ZIVO could provide at the time. I'm sure Payne has Kristin Peck in his rolodex and sits on same BoD with Zoetis Chief Medical Officer (who just retired) in recent weeks. So mastitis could come back fast ... but as usual..... all about MONEY.

Anyway .... I wish the best for you and your investment.
Amigo Mike

Algaeboy- therein lies the exact reason that Mike and I have been around for so damn long. IT WORKS! IT REALLY WORKS!

BUT, WHY this management team (multiple now)...cannot for the life of them put this together to monetize it for the problem(s) you state is mind-boggling.

I mean, it's literally right there for the taking...!!!

Mike,

I’ve mistakenly traded very little over the years…Treated this one as a buy/hold option, particularly after the late 2018 info about the molecule discovery, and was also hopeful that something would happen first with Mastitis, and then then the company would have some cash, and away we would go…A series of conversations I’ve had over the years, along with other a few other things, with those in the poultry industry in NOCAL and southern Oregon where I resided at the time, made me understand the industry’s DESPERATE need for a natural product like the Algae produced by ZIVO…Mastitis, Coccidiosis,Inflammation ,Bird flu etc, are VERY SERIOUS issues for all involved at every level of the poultry business world, and have been for years…my thinking was the Proalgazyme was going to become a legit natural option by 2022/23…SILLY ME!!…antibiotic treatments, are simply small Band-Aids on large wounds for the industry, and that will not change anytime soon… So I will just have to sit, hope and wait, but at this point, I’m expecting nothing, and that’s what it looks like we’re gonna get from ZIVO.

LOL weasel,

Not to mention both you and I..... post buys and sells when swinging going back several years. Didn't see all those posts quoted. =)

UNINVESTABLE has been stated many many times. I'll keep doing what I do, you do you. And we will do just fine. =)

Amigo Mike

Tony- You have ZERO idea what the definition of 'swing' trading is (even going as far as ignoring what I defined as such in my prior post).

I picked a date in 2014 and found this. You two must be in this deep buying at whatever this was trading at in 2014. Doesn’t sound like “swing trading” to me. Almost any other stock is better “swing trading” than Zivo.

Amigo Mike Free
05/24/14 2:30 PM
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Re: #3,303: Mags has no choice but to buy at
Dunno where this theory comes from that he has to buy to save his investment. What difference does it make if the stock drops to a penny but you know what you have and what it's worth ? Markets go both ways.

Quite the contrary actually. He doesn't need to do any such thing.

First he is a member of HEP Investments. The security for the notes owned by HEP Investments is ALL THE ASSETS OF THE COMPANY. All he has to do is demand payment, foreclose and own it all himself and with his partner. Then he could finish up the needed testing himself and take all the rewards for himself.

He also has millions of cheap warrants to get more stock. Doesn't have to buy the market.

Clearly we all moan about stock price but reality is the value of the company increases with every confirmation of the bioactive. Stock price will get where it needs to be when real investors find the name and HEPI delivers on partner deals. Personally I'd prefer HEPI land Zoetis, start the partner discussion on canine with another major and then sell the company.

Amigo Mike
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weazelboy Free
05/24/14 10:03 AM
Post #3,305
Re: #3,304: Amigo and Hypi, thanks for your response! What
That is the option we ALL should be wanting...a total buyout. It removes all speculation IMO. If they like what they see and the potential revenue opportunities are in the hundreds of millions (or billion)...writing a one-time check for several hundred millions is pocket change for a company that big these days.

In this scenario though, there is no time to accumulate for the run-up. As the purchase price of the company will determine the share price and stock would seemingly open at that determined price the day of said announcement. JMHO.

Of course, at this point...I'll take anything that is revenue generating! LOL.

This is a terrible stock to “swing trade.” It barely moves and usually only goes down except for very brief moments, and volume is low. The three largest owners of this who have over 50% have never sold a share from what I can see.

Algaeboy,

Have you not traded this one at all over all those years ?

I've been pretty clear this thing has been "uninvestable" for years. The only way to get your money back and make money has been to swing the ZIVO vine when the opportunity presents. Weasel and I have been very forthcoming with swing trade buys and sells. I realize that isn't everyone's comfort zone though.

As to incompetence, absolutely ... and nothing new as has been stated here a zillion times. Including the BoD not stepping in years sooner to get rid of Dahl. But that was all part of the money train. Some investment support contingent on Dahl as CEO. HUGE mistake.

If you've stood pat all this time I'd have to guess your avg price would never be obtained. Hope that isn't the case.

Last opportunity was late last year. Remains to be seen if $8 is a floor or ceiling at this point . I know we are all hoping it is the floor. I still think this should be $20 today for where ZiVO stands presently... but investors simply aren't going to buy it with no information being offered one way or another.

As you know, for me I'm breaking my own swing trade rules presently .... standing pat for now .... pending more from ZIVO. So for now, I lean that Payne delivers something. However the wheels of big pharma move slower than molasses. So really isn't a surprise to me that a deal hasn't been announced as yet.

Amigo Mike

At this point, I agree with you Tony and think we will be lucky to get $10/share, which for those of us who’ve held the stock for to long like myself, would be awful.

Nothing has changed in years. Incompetence and poor board oversight. My assumption is the three who now own half the company will take it private if there really is an opportunity to make money.

Just sad there’s nothing to talk about here.

LOL, just looks like someone needed gas money yesterday...100 shares kinda laughable

Holding the $8 area?

LOL….I guess with its usual wide spread $8 is not that far away from $6…

You seem a bit antsy. What have you learned about ZIVO these last few months…? Same ole same ole. Miniscule volume and even less interest.

The silence sucks doesn't it ??

Good to see the stock holding the $8 area. Would much prefer that to be $10 area but for now ... it is what it is. Given volume has basically trailed off to almost nothing ..... I would anticipate that insiders and those close to them are holding tight for now.

I still think the silence is a mistake on ZIVO's part but JMHO. And heard Payne and Company too busy pushing hemp pet business to get on with the business of ZIVO. LOL.

Amigo Mike

Okay ZIVO time to give us an update....

https://www.barrons.com/amp/articles/zoetis-stock-pet-arthritis-drugs-b3001b06

If only there was a proven natural anti inflammatory product with no known side effects.

Got it, thx

That makes sense, thank you

No, they would dilute and raise cash if that were the case. A forward split by itself does not put any $$ into company's pocket...

Thank you for explaining that… let’s say something were to happen, wouldn’t it make sense to do another reverse split, not in the direction of the previous two, to put more shares out on the market?

Simply means, the VAST majority of the company shares are in very tight hands. Meaning IF...IF...IF...they ever could actually do SOMETHING/ANYTHING of value...you are dealing with less than 1.4 million shares for the rest of the world to share barring more dilution. Which means, there is virtually no limit to the 'wildness' one could see with substantial volume in the ticker. The move from sub $1.00 to $13 in a straight line is tip of iceberg in that regard imo.

But as you've been around this company as long as Mike and I...you know those 3 "IF's" above are bigger than they are written... 🤣 Hence the reason, I literally have nothing more than a tiny flyer on from $1.00 for giggles and not the 'full boat' I have held in the past here.

Cheers!

Strome is definitely the most sophisticated investor of the three with a track record of making money with other public companies.

Weazelboy,

I’ve NEVER understood ZIVO, and almost everything they’ve done during my 17+ years of owning shares of this wretched company… I’m also not very knowledgeable when it comes to understanding the implications, good or bad, for ZIVO concerning the info you just posted…hoping you could explain further…

New Sch13D just hit for Strome. Between his 4 entities and him personally, he owns 486,174 shares (2nd largest holder).

So, top 3 holders own 1,330,117 of roughly 2.75 million o/s.

https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1101026/000117494724000523/ea0203503-13da7strome_zivo.htm

OPTION 4

Merge the whole company with a large pharma company
Acquiring company pays a small portion in cash (enough to payoff small notes etc..) and the rest is in stock

Typically in this type of scenario the acquiring company can pay a higher premium if they pay with stock instead with cash.

If you spend a couple minutes searching online, you will see Payne and Cornell are spending their time on this pet hemp business. Cannot make this up. Are these the big pharma companies he is talking to?

https://chou2pharma.com/about/our-team/

Weasel,

Agree 100%. Personally, I think ZIVO is just 1 mistake after another. This one ..... going dark after the completion and positive results for the final coccidiosis trial.

There's no doubt in my mind Payne is talking to big animal pharma. How many ... dunno, but what I do know is he has personal history with at least 2 of them. Those who actually take the time to look know this. But IMO silence isn't the answer on multiple fronts.

Chart .... yep ... unless it bounces back here above 8.50 it's broke. Again. There was a new bidder end of week for 5K shares at 6.80. Strange to me given the silence but legit bid nonetheless.

Yep ZIVO typical 15 minutes of excitement 364 days of "payne". Pun intended.

Yaldoo still owns a ton. But IMO is a zero outside of his money. And agree 3 guys are holding close to 50% of the stock. And I'm 99% certain there are others close to them that own more. For instance I believe latest Maggiore filings indicated no longer included shares of his brother in laws estate that I'm pretty sure werent sold.

The 10k has a note about a $500k loan on March 5th at 8.5%. Hidden on very last page of 10K. So they have gotten money recently. Of course that's not going to last long and certainly need more. And that is part reason the silence is a problem in my book. I can understand there could certainly be some sensitive discussions happening. And ZIVO has no leverage. But the test results in my book provide the opportunity to create leverage and generate interest to the financial benefit of the company and investors. IMO Payne is more or less part of what I'd call the "establishment" that does things a certain way. He's been the CEO of one of these animal pharmas and is still heavily involved in animal businesses with contacts to all these pharmas. So I can see how not wanting to "rock the boat" might be his style. Whereas a new age CEO might be plastering the results everywhere and doing things completely different.

Bottomline is none of this stuff happens fast in pharma. Clearly at least 1 pharma was in on the original test that was botched. So no doubt in my mind that pharma is still there. My question is who else is in on it? Leverage works wonders for better deal.

Timeline is also a problem. Who knows when ? Nobody knows. So ... ya either own it or ya don't. And patience and balls of steel are required.

I am still standing pat on my swing trade from 60 cents. I am admittedly breaking my own trading rules and hard to sit on such a large gain ..... however I did post my sale to cover costs. So letting it ride for the time being. And ideally would rather a large gain like this fall into LTCG category too but long way to go for that . =)

Amigo Mike

Haven't been paying really close attention here lately...and have been out of town a lot...but noticed that HEP Investments/Yaldoo filed an updated Sch 13D a few weeks ago. First one in a while, from what I can see.

Shows 488,785 shares owned which is 17.8% of outstanding (putting o/s roughly 2.75ish million).

That means between Yaldoo 488,785 and Mags 355,158 alone they hold 844k of that 2.75 million. Add in Strome (his last Sch 13 was pre-latest reverse)...but that means insiders hold close to 50% of the o/s in total if you add them all up (not taking the time to do this individually, just a rough guesstimate).

So, most of o/s is still in tight hands now with Armistice out of picture until their warrants come in the $$ at 16.80. By no means does that give me a signal to try and time a bottom here and re-add to position, but the original thesis is still in play if daily chart can base and curl up (also barring no further dilution, which is the part that is least likely, as they need $$ again).

Daily chart is indeed breaking down. This is why I sold 90% of the shares (many of which were sold much too early, admittedly) I had purchased at the lows during the run-up when everyone wanted it...as this is typical ZIVO nonsense. I'm only holding the super small piece I have because cost basis is sub $1.00. It's nothing more than a flyer that's well in the money at this point.

Barring unexpected news/ZIVO actually doing something (**giggles**), likely heading back into a slow death spiral again. Don't think it will be quite as egregious as the last one given there shouldn't be one group with a ton of stock to unload like last time, but who knows. If it starts closing sub 6.80/7.00 levels could get tough, as everyone who bought the last few months would be underwater OR they want to sell before their profit completely dissipates if they bought on the run-up and didn't sell.

Some individuals acting 'surprised' at this action (or lack thereof from ZIVO) just kill me. Welcome to bio-investing...where 98%+ of the companies are in the same damn position. lol

Patent for the use of the company’s proprietary algal biomass product to promote a healthy immune response for use in dairy cattle filed four years ago. Zero revenue from this.

Bill Pfund is listed as Vice-President for Research & Development. I assume he was also overseeing the testing activities in early 2023. How much has he been paid during the last four years? Appears he is still at Zivo.

Also still appears Zivo has a full time CFO. Doing what? Floors me people with a lot more stock than I do and losses far greater than mine tolerate this.

https://www.biospace.com/article/releases/zivo-bioscience-announces-us-patent-office-notice-of-allowance-for-administration-of-proprietary-algal-biomass-to-support-immune-health-/

Looking like the latest test was just the most recent science experiment that has contributed to $100 million in sunk costs over the decades. Just zero accountability with Zivo. Spending money they don’t have with no plan to generate revenue.

Looks like some "itchy" hands dumping some ZIVO today.

Not surprising really. Was wondering when it was going to happen given ZIVO pretty much gone dark again.
Unfortunate but chart watchers will see a breakdown here unless it bounces back above $8.50 and holds.

Amigo Mike

This has been the issue with ZIVO. They have not been staffed to continue on or in a position to raise more cash without massive dilution for well over a decade and this has not stopped them from marching on, shareholders be damned.

“They are not staffed to continue on or in a position to raising more cash without massive dilution”

Tony, my "Hunch" is ZIVO seems to be done with tests and new experiments and now focused on cutting a deal or selling the company. They are not staffed to continue on or in a position to raising more cash without massive dilution. So MY logical conclusion is they cut a deal with a large animal pharma or a large company that deals in algae strains of which ZIVO has proprietary patents etc.

**OPTIONS AS I SEE IT**
Sell the whole company
Sell a portion of the company
License a portion of the company

Love to know what basis you believe anything is happening positive for shareholders beyond a “hunch”. There is zero public indication Zivo is doing anything to promote these findings.

Okay getting warm feeling here....
Its been a few weeks since our positive results and our CEO has been working the phones and possible meeting with suitors etc.
My guess is these companies have been intrigued by ZIVO's products (specifically the chicken vaccine) and will soon put an offer on the table. Possibly a straight buyout of the company or partnership.

Call me crazy (Crazy) but I think we land the fish very soooooooooon :)

Agree,

I looked at the action. Almost all trades on the offer. So that's a positive. But can't last forever without news.

I assume you saw HEP Investments (Laith Yaldoo) post an updated 13D yesterday for 488K shares. Guess his group still holding a pile of stock. It is amazing to me he files a 13D and still holds. If you don't know, filing 13D is an indication that you intend to influence company mgmt vs 13G that is declaring passive intent.

Yaldoo IMO ... was and is part of the problem rather than the solution. Although now ZIVO has a CEO that has a clue. Yeah he funded ZIVO for several years but the condition of his funding was Dahl being CEO and his money allowed him to attend BoD meetings. He has zero background in bio/agtech science anything. And neither did Dahl. Of course now he's losing his shirt on this investment with ZIVO being YEARS behind where it should be.

There are tons of thing ZIVO could be doing now that they aren't. ZIVOLife for instance, can't wait to see the numbers on that. Not expecting much. But gut health, joint health, inflammation, sports recovery, covid .... the possibilities are massive. LIke I said I would have done side by side on glucosamine. CRP is an easy blood test for inflammation. I'd directly be comparing against AG1 that you see all over the place now. Of course there is that problem of can't produce in massive quantities. Although my due dilly yields pics of Alimenta's grow facility appears to have expanded with new raceway pond(s). There is at least 1 new one from last I saw and maybe more. ZIVO could easily update website on production progress with little to no effort.

But of course the elephant in the room is the coccidiosis license with one of the big boyz. Tic Toc .......... I can understand ZIVO being mum on that, but there are other things that can be shared with investors.

A couple of 1k+ offers at 8.99 to start the day.... =) I am still sitting patient with my swing position from 60 cents and already posted the sell to cover the investment so sitting on house money and waiting. And still of the opinion this thing should be sitting at $20 with the final coccidiosis results proven which doesn't even put the ZIVO market cap back where it sat historically.

Amigo Mike

Amigo, yeah someone is wanting to sell yesterday but the buys were holding the stock up
Most volume we had yesterday in last 30 days

Gwinner,

Now 4 offers of 1000 shares or better stacked up between 8.50 and 8.99.

ZIVO isn't going northward without updates. So only 1 side of the trade at the moment.

Certainly requires patience. Frankly IMO market been going good and ZIVO had massive run. If market tops out and starts to falter ... I don't think ZIVO will be immune to it especially if the silence continues.

Amigo Mike

The longer this drags on without a revenue generating proposal or sale, the less inclined I am to believe the latest results were some major breakthrough. Very little publicity on the results.

Gwinner,

They've been there ... just at higher offers.

Amigo Mike

Amigo, those two larger offers just showed up. Its been thin all week
Someone nibbled out of the gate this morning so hopefully we get some follow through later today

Gwinner,

The bull "flag" is still prominent on the chart ..... it is ready to go .... but there is stock available and has been.
Without some sort of buy interest ... it isn't gonna go anywhere.

Present offers.
1500 @8.99
2300 @9.00

Stupid to show that in my book but whatever. Gotta get past $10 which is also a psychological barrier and traders likely to jump on flag breakout if there is reasonable volume.
The issue with ZIVO is the same as always .... 15 minutes of excitement ....364 days of ..... crickets ......

It is a matter of ..... REASON TO BUY ...... and it will launch.
Amigo Mike

Tony that was a Laugh/Cry comment.....
The ASK has been SOOooooo thin that any Meaty news would rocket this to mid 20's-30's in no time!

Next announcement from ZIVO going to be chicken test 27 will be starting in six months.

It look like clear sailing to 50!

LOL,

POLO !!!

What is to discuss in light of nothing from ZIVO??
Nothing happening with trading except some dumb dumbs showing too much size on the offer. Or it is on purpose?

ZIVO has already indicated big animal pharma involved.
Typical ZIVO.

Amigo Mike