[Tony53711]

There have been 20+ tests supposedly with positive results. Doesn’t it seem odd zero deals bringing in revenue signed? I wrote last year they need to negotiate knowing they’re the desperate party to get cash and focus on other vertices to sign agreements when they aren’t desperate.

[Gwinner]

Tony, the good news of getting delisted is the cost of compliance drops dramatically. Im guessing couple hundred grand per month type of savings. And, at this point if all we are doing is waiting for results and assuming they are good then we are just shopping to sell it.

Which leaves us on the algae side to still get ramped up...

[Tony53711]

Zivo Life website and social media are well produced, but few additional likes and followers the last two weeks. I assume they have little to no marketing budget, which is necessary to grow sales. Likely not going to see much more revenue from this channel.

[Tony53711]

I also would not be surprised if nothing is announced. Look at the pinned post on this board. Nothing was ever announced after the most recent bovine mastitis test. Also nothing was announced after the last Nutriquest test.

[Gwinner]

My guess we might hear something from the company during the week of the 18th
Something to the effect "test results have concluded and now submitting them to be authenticated..."

[weazelboy]

Someone stepped in with a size offer mid .60s and then lowered it to .6075 into close. I hit it twice to see how viable it was...

First time, filled me at the .6075. Second time, filled me lower at .58625.

These are my first 'toe-dips'...and tiny tiny size so far. I am in ZERO rush to fill a position...and almost more likely to be happy filling it at higher prices once I know/see a bottom has been put in (unless someone markets out like back in the day and I can catch size on that in the .20s. lol).

[Tony53711]

Given the market cap and the fact this trades OTC, isn’t it time also to ditch the CFO and bring on a part-time resource? His salary seems really excessive right now .

[Tony53711]

Given the market cap and the fact this trades OTC, isn’t it time also to ditch the CFO and bring on a part-time resource? His salary seems really excessive right now .

[Gwinner]

Amigo, it might be tough to get much around 62 cents unless one more flush has not occurred. However, I suspect most all the dumps took place right at delist time.
But I'll be supporting stock too in the low sixties if that happens.

[Amigo Mike]

LOL,

Paying for something you don't use if stupid ...... but not much logic applies in ZIVOland.

Still don't seem to be able to shake loose any shares below .62 so far.

Amigo Mike

[Tony53711]

I hope ZIVO is not still paying that joke of an IR firm LHA. Again, how does the board with the largest shareholder in the company tolerate this?

[Gwinner]

Well lets see where the share price ends up this week!
I got money I aint spent yet if this dips again
I chewed on some shares last week averaging down...might be doing it again if opportunity presents itself
GLA

[Tony53711]

Best approach if this is a viable company is to rely on earnings or money from a partner to fund any further R&D and stop diluting. Issuing more shares to let HEP Investments reduce their cost basis also is not a solution. And get rid of the director of research and others who have failed at their jobs. Ridiculous they continued to spend without committed funds from a partner or a reliable revenue stream. The treasury management has been a disaster, and the board has let it happen. The market is pricing Zivo at a million bucks while they have spent $100 million mostly on research and administrative expenses. Imagine if they spent just half of that on algae production and marketing to actually sell something and generate earnings.

[Amigo Mike]

And a note to SEC from ZIVO posted late yesterday requesting withdrawal of registration statement S1 filed October 4th. ...... i.e. not moving ahead with that registration statement and the raise that it would represent.

https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1101026/000165495423015084/zivo_s1.htm

A positive in my book. Although the issue of money is still outstanding. IMO whomever ZIVO was trying to raise with were likely bending them over the barrel and also likely screwing with the stock. Wish I knew the dates so I could look at the tape activity to see wassup but there has already been commentary here on seemingly excessive amounts of stock available.

Ultimately ZIVO mgmt is responsible for creating the situation. You reap what you sew. For some reason that message never gets through with this mgmt. Sew nothing you don't get any favors.

Anyway, I toe dipped yesterday. After scooping some at .626 I was not able to shake anything loose below that.

I figure it is 62 cents. So that's my downside. Upside with positive chicken news and a license with a major animal pharma ?? Welp, with less than 2 million shares out presently, a chicken license should be worth many multiples of 62 cents. $5 and the market cap isn't even $10 million. This thing has historically maintained a much higher market cap than that.

On the algae front, I don't pretend to know what the slowness in ramp is if Zivo claims demand it can't fulfill, THEN FIND ANOTHER SUPPLIER TO SUPPLEMENT PRODUCTION. Ya can't tell me there aren't other producers out there that can add capacity. Get it done. Enough excuses.

Amigo Mike

[Amigo Mike]

Ok I am toe dipping today.

Nobody wanna sell to me at .57 I guess. Picked off a few at .626.

Amigo Mike

[Amigo Mike]

Tony,

As I've stated ... it is HIGHLY UNLIKELY that insiders have been allowed to buy during this period. So while that has saved you, it's an incorrect premise IMO.
As the evidence shows ... ZIVO filed S1s for an offering with a different investment bank not prior used for Armistace. Then filed another new S1 ..... that nothing resulted from. Obvious those discussions had to have occurred and was required by Nasdaq to maintain compliance. Again, insiders can't buy the stock with that activity going on. But at same time, the market isn't stupid .... knows that's going on .... and either the IB or smart investors are dumping in front of it.

IMO it is ..... and continues to be a mistake to not engage investors because it just fuels the FUD surrounding the company. Again a failure to control the narrative. ZIVO may not have much to say .... but not explaining to investors your perspective and offering an understanding what happened ...... just continues to do damage to the corp ... and its stock price. As I've said before, stock price is more about "sentiment" than reality. When you continually say nothing, and don't produce anything, your sentiment is shit, resulting in your stock price being shit (offered market no reason to own stock) ..... and NOT BEING ABLE TO RAISE MONEY WHEN YOUR WANT TO OR NEED TO WITHOUT EVERYONE TAKING IT UP THE ASS. That is all on ZIVO and has been for years. Say nothing and don't control the narrative ..... you get the shaft from the market. Period.

Failed results, Russell delist, Nasdaq delinquency, silence, raise(s), silence, too slow to kick off retest (original test result Feb 10, new test Oct 19 ... really 8 months ?), kickoff commercial sales and tell the market you can't produce your product with any volume, silence, RS, silence, delisting, more silence .......... Did ZIVO get any refund/rebate for whomever screwed the pooch on the original 42 day trial ? Anyway, the Dawson conference gave some added insight .... what were they doing at Dawson to get an invite .... you guessed it .... sure fishing for money.

Which of those things would an investor find the company to be remotely investable to soak up all the selling ?
Amigo Mike

[Tony53711]

It’s only speculation, but same for everyone’s assessment without communication from ZIVO. Not touching this without insiders buying saved me from further losses, and I plan on sticking to this decision. Best case scenario is what you laid out; ZIVO BoD confident of results and not willing to further dilute just to stay listed on NASDAQ. That seems like a massive stretch though.

[Amigo Mike]

Hey gunner,

My only loss at the moment here was my last toe dip ..... as folks like weasel and I have been swinging from the ZIVO vine for more than a decade.

There's always the option to do nothing. But ZIVO has been good to us in the past ... despite the company's abysmal performance money can be made.

Amigo Mike

[Gunner 75]

Would this be sorta like the black Jack table.
Keep buying in to cover your losses ?

[Amigo Mike]

LOLOLOLOLOL,

I'm lookin' at it. Can't believe it. Wondering WTF is going on, etc etc etc.

In years past I would have been buying da shit outta this ...... but wowsers ..... can't yet bring myself to do it. Bargain basement, or last leg waiting to topple over !!!!

I'm not in Tony's camp that something nefarious at ZIVO is happening. I am in the camp that some of this while IT IS THEIR DOING ..... IT'S NOT TOTALLY THEIR DOING ..... if ya know what I mean. The cycle stated with Russell. Screw up of trial. Who's fault ... dunno but screw up nonetheless ..... oh how the picture could be very different if that trial passed the first time. Since then .... utter silence, I think mgmt was looking at another raise with the S1 filings .... notice a different banker .....I think they had something going .... but I think that banker was playing games and ZIVO already took it on the chin with Armistace ..... I would bet on ZIVO opting out of a raise late in the game which of course led to the delisting from Nasdaq.

We are likley now in the window to expect 42 day trial results on chickens within weeks. Big animal pharma still looking for these results according to Dawson presentation.
Hmmmmmm .......

The market cap is nothing at this point. The risk to reward at the moment is looking quite favorable to me presuming the chicken test is positive.
Amigo Mike

[weazelboy]

Not me. Still trying to mentally prepare if I wanna do this movie again with ZIVO...

lololol

[Amigo Mike]

LOL,

Who scooped up some for 40% gainer ? LOL

Amigo Mike

[weazelboy]

lol...bro...

Two things:

1) There's not much room left to fall... :p

2) You're in OTC land now...volatility (sometimes insane) should be expected. Up to and including going from .50 to 3.00 to .15 in the same day (example only).

[Gwinner]

Well, maybe just maybe the big dumping has ceased...

[Tony53711]

Also what happened to the the Armistice and Payne money? Did they really accelerate spending without a partner knowing they would be out of money by December? Did Payne just use the cash from Armistice to pay his loan?

[Tony53711]

Red flags all over the place. Armistice provided money, Payne loaned money, stock that was falling started to drop more dramatically, positive test results, continued decrease in pps, pickup in volume and decline in pps, RS, loan from HEP l, and then delisted. Makes no sense.

[weazelboy]

...and now that they are pink sheets again, pretty sure that means normal filing requirements go away, no?

[Amigo Mike]

LOL,

Amazing but ..... ~$53K buys 5% of ZIVO at 55 cents. WOW. That is pocket change. Almost can't believe it. But we are here.

Hmmmmmm ............

Amigo Mike

[Tony53711]

Probably no more than a half dozen watching this train wreck so likely no Netflix special, but I would love to read or watch what happened in the last five months.

[Gwinner]

Can someone post the BID ASK depth chart
I can't see anything in OTC land
TIA!

[Amigo Mike]

LOL,

That's a good one gunner. Does look like late market dump on the stock. Glad to have not dipped toe in on this disaster.

Waiting and watching.
Amigo Mike

[Gunner 75]

You know, I’ve been a pilot for 53 years.
This kinda reminds me what it may feel like
to have a double engine failure, and a wing
fall off at the same time & you you have about 20-30 seconds before it’s Adios Amigo’s. Obviously I haven’t experienced this, but there must be similarities.

[Tony53711]

I assume pre-RS $10 a share buyout is not happening.

[Tony53711]

Like watching the final car go off the tracks. Who is still buying?

[Gwinner]

Big dump...

[Tony53711]

I put way too much faith in large holdings by insiders. Lesson learned- tavern and gym management does not translate into effective biotech corporate oversight. Also seemed odd tens of millions of dollars spent on research and yet zero scientists speaking out on the effectiveness of the product. And every study conducted was PR’d with positive outcomes until it was time to publish and then silence and of course no partner investment.

[Amigo Mike]

Could be,

We'll see ......

Listening to Dawson James conference again.
Biomass .... "we are sold out" ... "standing orders" ...... "we just don't have enough product". 10Q ... sales $12,000. So purposely launched with no product supply is the excuse for laughable sales revenue ? Bassackwards.

Payne specifically said the 42 day trial was scheduled to start October 19th. However ZIVO PR was posted October 30th that uses "mix tense" language like maybe it started but maybe it hasn't started at that point in time. The headline in present tense:

ZIVO Bioscience Initiates 42-Day Validation Study

BUT

This new study will be performed

will be carried out for the full 42-day grow out period

There is no language indicating it actually started.

He does say they have major animal health company they have been working with and expect a strong result from final trial will get them very interested in moving forward with a licensing agreement.

So I expect clownshow to continue and no results posted anytime soon.
Amigo Mike

[Gwinner]

Just picture a quarterback scrambling trying to throw a hail mary right now...we all know the chances of it landing in the end zone
Hope is not an investment strategy but thats all I got at the moment...

[Tony53711]

The silence tells you everything you need to know. Likely the next update we receive from the company is a bankruptcy filing.

[Amigo Mike]

After the latest dippage the ask seems to be thinning ......

Amigo Mike

[Amigo Mike]

Nope,

The tape doesn't lie. It is the only thing in the market that counts.

My guess is there was a planned raise via Dawson James and after reverse and continued decline they couldn't raise enough under NASDAQ rules to meet listing.

Amigo Mike

[Amigo Mike]

Welp,

Closing on a volume representing nearly 12% of the total outstanding shares. And a 40+% loss ....

Is the washout complete ??? Anyone's guess but MMs shouldn't picking up the shares here and would think they need to move the price up to unload the inventory.

Amigo Mike

[Tony53711]

The tape doesn’t lie. My holdings are not worth nearly enough to justify a lawsuit. There is no way these results are going to be positive with this trading at sixty cents. Rarely do you see such a fast drop to obliteration in a stock with this much insider ownership.

[Amigo Mike]

So,

Bottomline ...... your premise is ZIVO mgmt are liars and have failed to disclose the full picture on test results.

Welp, prove it .... and file a lawsuit ....... happy to join up if they lied.

Amigo Mike

[Tony53711]

I am sure they had every intention of maintaining NASDAQ compliance, but failed. Hope is not a strategy. My assumption is we did not get the full picture when the latest test results were released but insiders knew there were issues, which is why the company is now basically insolvent. If there was any hope these upcoming results would be positive, this would not trade at less than the value of a fast food franchise. Thankfully I exited most of my position earlier this year after the stock did not crater after the first testing debacle , but have been watching to see signs things could turn around. Instead nothing but relentless selling.

[Amigo Mike]

Tony.

Get real. Please. You've been advocating people know the results are a failure BEFORE the tests even started.

All the selling is a combo of several things that have been discussed here. And now with being delisted, I am SURE there are institutions that own the stock still that CAN'T hold an OTC stock. So just one more reason for selling today.

And mgmt still silent. It would be helpful for mgmt to post a letter to shareholders to update on status. As recently as 1 month ago they had planned to maintain NASDAQ listing. So ... INVESTORS NEED TO HEAR WHAT CHANGED AND WHAT THE PLAN IS FOR MOVING AHEAD.

It is pretty simple. The stock price for a company like this is all about investor sentiment. It is obviously and has been ... in the toilet ....... and mgmt has done nothing to change it.

If you don't believe the latest test outcome won't be positive then why do you own the stock ?
Amigo Mike

[Tony53711]

Does anyone believe this latest round of testing isn’t going to be a failure?

[Disquisition]

INDEFATIGABLE DUMPING