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Posted by: Lurker from Mars Date: Monday, June 08, 2009 11:14:04 PM
In reply to: A deleted message Post # of 22854
Mods on EXPH gearing for a P&D imo...One is trying to attack me personally...I don't believe the shares are done being used or R/S.... and the company has NO large contracts to date from Walmart and Lowe's despite what the pumpers keep rumoring about!!!
CEO even stated that!!! NO large contracts to date!!!
Soros is in deep, Mojocash and Fivestar are major flippers and a poster GamblerNC is VERY close to CEO.....
Just be careful who you believe over there...$4-5mil guidance WITHOUT any large contract puts eps about .0004 with current 1bil O/S (maxed basically - 20mil left?)
reason for this post is cuz they have not taken down the PA or allowed me to respond without deleting my response.
hey nostocks, good to see you, I'll check out spsnq, thanks..
Hey fivestar I saw you posting on arsc and remembered I owed you one for etim. You might want to check out spsnq I don't think it would be a waste of your time. Posted here as I cann't pm.
Hey knowles have you seen this. http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/board.aspx?board_id=15452
Ckys isn't listed but sure sounds like what happened here. Only most got away.
As Goober used to say, I just came by to say "Hey"
briboy
i still have my $.68 cents worth!
Let's rename it the Dollars lost on CKYS board, now that would be an interesting count...any guesses on how many millions were lost because of Jimmy's lies?
Can we rename this the Class-Action Lawsuit Board? I'm serious!
My new grandson took precedence I will be back in town next week and will update the site. Sorry for the delay.
Knowles
Not sure why my sharecount still says "unaudited" along with "Chicken Man" and several others who I know e-mailed their Ameritrade statements to you guys. What's the purpose of "Audited" or "Unaudited" if you're not taking this task seriously ? E-mails have been sent to you guys stating the same thing and all the replies say you're busy and it will be updated soon. That was a few weeks ago.
Cann't say any of the six would do a good job as mod. Take the ones that are currently mods of the F&F board they have deleted tons of post stating they were "personal attacks". Yet they have attacked several posters themselves.
Like I have stated all along 2 boards both without an impartial mod among them. The deleted post by the ckys mods. certainly hampered some in collecting important DD. Some have described it as criminal I'm not arguing. The slam everybody that doesn't agree with you mentality the F&F board has certainly won't be any better. I really like your quotes of the day. How are they anything other then an attack on the poster?
Leave it without a mod and let Matt ban the disruptive ones. That's my vote.
I have added another 40,000; Total now = 400000.
I would really like to see an audited share count for this weekend with new updated numbers from all those who sent in their share count and were confirmed and only up until Monday open. It would be interesting to see those who have bought more or have sold off, being there are some large trades going off.
poleman your fax was received....
I will be adding you to the IBox soon.
just emailed my share printsceen, what is the curent status regarding looking at CKYS's books.
ralphkaz....
You first mistake is to listen to board noise.
The way I understand gray trading is that a broker just calls around to find a matching trade.
"How do I know I am getting the best price for a stock I gave a buy or sell order for?
Most firms use automated systems to process the orders they receive. This automation, to a certain extent, means that each order will be processed as it is received. However, since a broker has to evaluate the best execution for each trade and examine which competing markets offer the most favorable terms of execution, he should try to take advantage of "price improvement", which is the opportunity, but not the guarantee that an order to be executed at a better price than the currently quoted price. In doing so, the broker also has to consider other factors such as the speed and the likelihood of execution."
ralphkaz....
Is my stock broker limited to buying and selling on a stock exchange?
"In addition to the various stock exchanges, there is a decentralized market of securities not listed on any exchange. This is called the over the counter (OTC) market and participants trade over the telephone, facsimile or electronic network instead of on the trading floor of an exchange. Your broker can buy and sell stocks that are listed on the OTC market as well as on the stock market."
If your broker is using telephone or facsimile you should find another broker who is in the 21th century and can afford a computer.......If you can afford one he should be able to....if not do you really trust him as a broker? I must be spoiled by using a preimun brokerage firm with on-line ordering.
Grays are no exception.......
I imagine the brokers are making a killing on this stock!
Just cause you see trades going through at certain price levels does NOT mean you can buy at that price. There's no conspiracy here...
Having said that do you really feel that is ethical and unworthy of a sec report?
It would be unfeasible for them to call every single brokerage
I don't think they're matching bids inhouse. Do you? Really?
On another note - regarding the high volume the last 2 days - my personal opinion is JP is dumping a LOT of stock. Bigtime dilution.... remember with an unreporting pinkie (especially one that just raised AS by 200%) you assume dilution until proven otherwise. A gagged T/A should be the first red flag. JP could disprove this with 1 phone call. Why won't he?? To me its OBVIOUS! I think this scenario is a lot more plausible than the "massive naked short" theory... Besides you can't short a gray - so why the huge volume now??
So after 10 weeks of people shouting this it has become OBVIOUS to you . I suppose you listen to the same new song 100's of times in a row only to spend the next 5 years telling everyone it's the worst song ever.
Read the ibox this board is not for what "you think" it's for gathering shareholder information. Take you're theories over to ices board he will be happy to let you repost his prior postings there.
The way I understand gray trading is that a broker just calls around to find a matching trade. It would be unfeasible for them to call every single brokerage to try to match up your trade. Its just that simple. With the big brokerages a lot of the grey trades happen 'in-house' meaning they don't even need to call around and simply match up their own customers buys/sells.
Also - I'm not sure how the spread on these gray's works. I know that when I was selling my 835,000 shares the day this thing opened up again after the suspension scottrade told me the bid/ask was .015 vs .005 - that is a HUGE spread. So... the trades you see going through at lower levels are probably sells - that doesn't mean you can buy at that price. I imagine the brokers are making a killing on this stock!
Just cause you see trades going through at certain price levels does NOT mean you can buy at that price. There's no conspiracy here...
On another note - regarding the high volume the last 2 days - my personal opinion is JP is dumping a LOT of stock. Bigtime dilution.... remember with an unreporting pinkie (especially one that just raised AS by 200%) you assume dilution until proven otherwise. A gagged T/A should be the first red flag. JP could disprove this with 1 phone call. Why won't he?? To me its OBVIOUS! I think this scenario is a lot more plausible than the "massive naked short" theory... Besides you can't short a gray - so why the huge volume now??
Are the brokers using the most ethical manner to find those orders? Certainly doesn't look like it. I guess you don't think the brokerages need to abide by the same standards as the companies they trade. I hardly see anything wrong with registering a complaint and I doubt they are laughing near as hard as several are at you.
knowles - simple answer - you're on the greys! there is no central stock trade matching MM. All trades are done by brokerages by using the phone to call around.
Its like having multiple markets where people don't know what the other is doing...
The SEC will have a good laugh about this complaint...
.<font color=red>IBox has been updated to here!!!
KEEP SENDING THOSE PROVE-UPS!!!!!
If you have not sent in your prove-up please do so now....
To everyone who has forwarded your prove-up statements please verify that your IHub handle is listed as audited (in Green) if not bring it to my attention so we can rectify the problem.
Thank you,
Knowles
Hey put me down for another 30000 please. Do you want me to send my new statement or am I good?
Bob
Thanks Mike.....
The direction I would like to take this is "who would be qualified to do shareholders the most good". By that statement I am meaning business experience in general, accounting background, technical experience and\or legal experience. I’m just trying to find a good cross section of representation either by those that apply or chosen and willing to take on the task, then let the shareholders decide who they want to represent.
The best and shortest way to describe the above is to apply and sell yourself as to why you are the best for the job or task.
PS - I hoping that a trip is not necessary but not out of the question so flexibility is a must here too!
For all those looking to shoot the messenger
Don't, I'm just throwing out ideas your input would be helpful and just as valuable too.
Count me in for Phase III.
Mike
I think liquid should be a delegate...
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=17369507
Hi Cyberkey "CKYS"-Pink/Greysheets, shareholders. I live in the Central Part of California, and it is a 10 hour drive to headquarters. I am able and willing to participate in a visit to Cyberkey. I currently hold 2.85 million shares.
Kind regards,
Up
whiteshadow...
Your counts were received all in good order. I will update the IBox as counts accumulate later today.
Just faxed three screen shots. If this is not adequate, let me know. Thanks.
Post Toastie,
The instructions are all in the IBOX at the top of the message board. Just unhide the board info and follow the directions. Listed is the e-mail address and fax numbers of where and how to send the information.
Thanks,
Knowles
knowlesmsncom
Would you e-mail me with the info on sending you my audited share count .
thanks
posttoastie1@hotmail.com
We have had a plan all along!
Now it's good of you to finally figure out what we have been doing thus far here on the suspended share count board since the onset of the suspension. Now let's keep it organized and include everyone who are shareholders here especially those who have gone through the trouble of proving up there shares big and small.
Now is not the time to see who can piss up the side of the wall the highest so let's stick with the program here!
Of course you're my nomination. Anybody want to 2nd that? I hope a few others are willing to go. I would really hate for all this to rest on Knowles shoulders he has done so much as it is. Please don't confuss the effort Knowles has put forth with the other efforts out there.
.<font color=red>Those shareholders interested in Phase III?
Selection and nomination of delegates.....
1.) Potential shareholder representatives must be willing to travel to St. Cloud, UT. (CyberKey Solutions HQ at there own expense if necessary.
2.) Have a proven vested interest in the company (Cyberkey Solutions) exceptions will be considered by separate shareholder vote.
3.) Votes will be accepted by "proven shareholders" only (Don't bitch about it just prove up).
The above is a prerequisite to Phase IV, which is to make application and shareholder support for a limited power of attorney that will allow each delegate to represent majority shareholder concerns and interests.
Questions, concerns and further comments are limited to shareholders only. Any shareholders that have not updated their status and wish to further participate please read the IBox for instructions on "proving up".
In order to keep the topic of discussion on target you will be limited to the above topics that are Phase II & III discussions only, all other posts will be deleted. Any questions or concerns that shareholders would like to address individually will be taken up in the later phases of discovery.
Lets keep this structured and organized!!!!
Thanks,
Knowles
Play nice!! Ice you have a board for you're name calling and opinions. Mordicia you've posted some good info try to ignore the school yard cheap shots so we can leave you're post up. Hard to find useful info when you have to read through the trash.
I'm in, where do I sign up?
enough already
Once again thank you for your insight here.
Smartmoney you should probably have the group hire a Nevada attorney (one close to the nevada registered agent to save billable hours) to do the inspection/make copies and make the initial demand. I would think all the lawyer would have to do is write a demand letter requesting the inspection, which states he represents the named shareholders and showing their respective share counts. The attorney would probably want a fax from each shareholder stating he has their authority to act on their behalf for the purpose of this inspection. Save costs by providing the lawyer the statute, the name of the registered agent, etc... then you will not be billed for the research. Ckys will think twice about not allowing the inspection with an attorney involved.
All of you could also appoint one of the group (non-lawyer)as their "Attorney in Fact" to represent each of you in your place and stead. I posted a form or a link on this board that shows an all-inclusive nevada power of attorney for stock transactions. Most of the powers granted therein could be eliminated , to limit the power to just inspecting the shareholder records. Obviously, this might in itself require the services of a Nevada attorney to draft something that will do the trick. Plus you run the risk of the non-lawyer not being taken seriously by ckys, and the non-lawyer not getting the right records to extract the information you want. The power of attorney would need to be notarized by each of the group, whereas giving written authority to act to the lawyer would not.
LMFAO. In the first place what difference does it make whether the share structure is on the home page or somewhere else on the site? It would be no less fraudulent despite the less obvious location. Second, no lawyer is going to advise his client to put back up a fraudulent or misleading statement period because then he/she becomes one of the perpetrators of the continuing fraud and will be disbarred and sued for malpractice. You obviously do not have a clue. The relocation of the share count, and not its complete removal, points to its probable truth. Otherwise, it would be gone completely or the numbers revised given the sec inquiry.
>>and then later replaced....believe what you want but IMO someone got real nervous about that share structure and PR's being up there.......before consulting with a lawyer about it........the lawyer probably told them to put it back up as this draws attention to it since it was removed......basicly to late to hide it now!<<
Good luck to you......eom
Look I'm not going to debate it with you but I have spoken to attorneys on that the est has to be close it can't be off by that much. I don't know if it is accurate but I do believe it is fraud if the O/S is 1.2 billion when it is supposed to be 700 million. This board is not for the purposes of debate so lets just leave it at us having different opinions on the issue.
smatmoney
The T/A would not be in trouble for acknowledging the question has the share structure changed from what is posted on the cyberkey website............
WHY?
Because the Cyberkey website states "EST" (ESTIMATED}
The T/A answering that is simply saying "YUP ITS STILL AN ESTIMATED NUMBER" and could be anything... 1.2 Billion O/S! 1.5 Billion O/S! and they will have done NOTHING WRONG...
Some have speculated or said they have spoken to lawyers trying to DEFINE what ESTIMATED means in that context.....some said 1% of that number...........I bet you could call ten different lawyers and get 10 different answers.............and one only need look at the numbers accumulated on this board to realize the cyberkey numbers are nowhere close to that.........
all will be unveiled shortly...........
Other people also gave the TA the numbers on the website and they were also told that they were accurate too. If the TA was lying then they would also be party to FRAUD IMO. Time will tell.
poast
yes I found that link right away.....and most did not find it..the main link was removed.....and the old one still has mascot information on it or did.........IMO it was just an oversight by the company to leave that up...........
The Excuse for it vanishing was they were REVAMPING the website??
LOL!!! then only thing that had vanished was the share structure,company Bios and old PR'S???
and then later replaced....believe what you want but IMO someone got real nervous about that share structure and PR's being up there.......before consulting with a lawyer about it........the lawyer probably told them to put it back up as this draws attention to it since it was removed......basicly to late to hide it now!
Why have not 5% of you shareholders just banned together and done gone down and got the information......seems simple enough..and apparently is the law.........you only need 5% of the o/s and you have a list of those people right here on this board........someone take charge and go get your share structure.......Mr.Plant Legally has to provide it to you.......enough excusese for mr.plant already.....go confirm it.....I will PUBLICLY APOLOGISE to MR.PLANT and EVERYONE ELSE if the share structure is 700 Million O/S and 200 Million FLOAT!
It Only takes 5% of the O/S to prove me wrong......If I was a shareholder here I would be getting names and be on Mr.Plants doorstep Monday morning with my Lawyere demanding to see the records of share structure......thanks to mordacai for providing this.........you guys should get hopping and stop pretending all is well.......thats what got you into this in the first place......trusting everything jim plant has stated has not proved to be a very profitable venture at this point.......time to verify.......fool me once, shame on him......fool me twice,shame on YOU!
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I have already been confirmed, but I notice that Westburghill is on the list twice. Could you remove one of them?
Thanks
ice...
"Here is another little HINT........when the SEC thing CAME down...POOF the SHARE STRUCTURE VANISHED from the MAIN LINK on Cyberkeys website...Looks to me like somebody got real nervous about that little bit of information........"
It never vanished, the link at the bottom of their homepage has always been there and would take you to the share count.
Go to their homepage right now and scroll to the bottom of the page and hit the investor relations link you will notice that "shares" is at the bottom of the list of links. Now is you go to the top of the homepage and hit "about us" the investor relations, you will see "shares" in the middle of the link list. old and new.
So the share count was never removed from the website, believe me I looked when everyone was screaming it had been removed and it was always there.
I would like to thank Liquid and Iceman for their contributions relating to Cyberkey. The problem seems to be they are both potentially right. I think we (shareholders) have given Jim ample time to provide Audited Financials. Even if the audit began Feb. 5th we should have heard something this week. I am personnaly willing to lose my $24k investment to force Jim's hand. I have 1.4 million shares and would just need 8 or 9 more investors with the same to join me. Sorry if this has already been organized but I want this to happen by end of next week. Let me know if there is any interest. Thanks.
Mordicai
"Moreover, the TA is not going to fall on its sword for Jim Plant or CKYS."
***Is Jim Plant Paying th T/A or is the T/A paying Cyberkey to work for them? Lets be Real here...here is a little hint..just look at the board that you are posting on...what do those numbers add up too in the IBOX of this board?
That should answer your question.........and as far as the T/A's WORD? That has changed a couple times now...First KAY at National Stock Transfer was saying that it was a MUTUAL Agreement between them and Cyberkey not too give out those numbers{GAGGED}....then later on I guess somebody at cyberkey did not like their connection too that excuse and it changed too its National Stock Transfers Policy??
Its Time to Face Reality Here and understand that DILUTION has been on Going for some time now.......if it was not..Mr.Plant would of silenced the Critics LONG AGO.........
Here is another little HINT........when the SEC thing CAME down...POOF the SHARE STRUCTURE VANISHED from the MAIN LINK on Cyberkeys website...Looks to me like somebody got real nervous about that little bit of information........
So MANY indicators of DILUTION and yet a few here and on the other board still stick to those ESTIMATED NUMBERS thinking they are accurate in the midst of an SEC investigation which is questioning the information put out by CYBERKEY yet for some reason even after Cyberkey increased the A/S 2 Billion Shares in DECEMBER folks think the information about share structure is SOLID? REAL? HAS NOT CHANGED?
That is just plain CRAZY! This board alone Indicates those numbers are nowhere close to 200 Million Float and 700 Million O/S............
If Mr.Plant UN-GAGGED the T/A and Provided the Current and ACCURATE share structure like most all other Responsible and HONEST companies do........then it is my opinion the PPS on this stock would more than TRIPLE from CURRENT levels........whay any one would not want Mr.Plant to provide this small gesture which entails a 5 Minute phone call to do so is beyond me.........I guess its all that SINCERITY and CARING about his shareholders that is getting in the way of him doing the right thing here........or maybe it is as you suggest and the T/A pulls his strings!
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This board has been formed to get a count of shares held by Ihub users in ckys.
This board is not for bashing,pumping, or just being a jerk in general. Leave your snide remarks to yourself or on your own board.
Are you waiting for someone else to protect you? Get real! Squeaky wheel gets the grease!
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Un-Audited
Shares Held...................228,358,836
Share Holders reporting...............174
Audited
Shares Held....................77,072,045
Share Holders reporting................52
CKYS - CYBERKEY SOLUTIONS
January 2007
Total Share Volume.............423,099,382
Phase two:
Has started and shareholder verification is underway.
We will no longer be posting individual share counts and they will not be available upon request. We will only post handles (in alphanumeric order) with “confirmed” out to the side of those who have satisfied and confirmed the below mentioned.
We are now asking for all shareholders continued participation in “proving up” your shares. In order to do so we are asking to have a statement either faxed or scanned into E-Mail and forwarded to an account that we created. We will not answer any questions sent to the E-Mail account. We are not asking for and do not want account information such as names, addresses or the price you paid for your shares so remove anything of controversy that is sent to us. We are only looking to have share counts under the form of a bank\broker statement with everything blacked out of concern except share count and share\ticker symbol, screen shots are acceptable. The only identifying mark is we ask shareholders to have their handle clearly written on the statement. Statements sent will not be made available to anyone.
We are posting along side the "un-audited" total an "audited" or proven share count total as we receive those statements.
Those shareholders that did not participate in the phase I process are encouraged to do so now. Please provide your handle and proof of holding at the same time on one form. Additionally those shareholders that were concerned about having there share count made public will not have any more concern, we have proven our point, therefore we encourage everyone to post. The confirmed listing will show handles in alphanumeric order and "confirmed" beside the handle, nothing else.
We welcome large account holders to participate because it allows step II to proceed faster!!!!!
Our Intent:
All shareholders are well aware by now that the un-audited float published here on this site exceeds the float that has been provided by the company. Given the vastness of the market place we cannot believe that the shares that were provided through this forum are reflective of all the shares contained in the float.
CyberKey's Role:
Assuming Jim Plant is being true to his word and form then it is obvious we have identified discrepancy in the float. The company has reported through individual conversations and\or through postings on their Web Site a different picture than what is being show in this forum. This discrepancy could point toward an unidentifiable amount of “naked shorting” or “fake shares”. To help further identify this discrepancy and bring this out into the open we ask all shareholders to do your part and prove up!
Our Goal:
To have the majority of the confirmations available for posting on or before market open on Tuesday, February 20, 2007.
PM me if you want to be listed as anonymous. Please request an anon posting if you want your name withheld.
Eat My Shorts! - A Naked Shorting Primer for CEOs.
Both your transfer agent and IR firm should be able to advise you on the effectiveness of combating naked shorts by changing CUSIP numbers, reverse mergers, and/or reverse splits. Although the long-term effectiveness of these strategies is questionable, it may be useful as part of a larger strategy to deter naked shorting. After changing your company’s CUSIP number, for instance, all existing stock certificates must be exchanged for new ones. All issued and outstanding certificates from old shares will no longer represent an interest in the company until exchanged. This may be more trouble than it’s worth, however. Once the new shares are in circulation, there’s nothing to stop a new round of naked shorting by determined parties. Such tactics may represent a small part of an overall strategy to reduce naked shorting interest in your company.
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Nov 2, 2006
US regulators are about to take their first legal action against a hedge fund involved in the controversial practice of "naked short selling", whose critics say it distorts the stock market and drives down company share prices.
Shorting will become a dead practice
"Congressmen investigating the hedge fund industry have zeroed in on short selling, and naked shorts in particular, as they examine ways to prevent the offshore industry manipulating the US stock market."
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