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Hiya, Frenchee...looks like my bounce play in AGG isn't working out very well yet.
Something to do with the govt purchase of debt, probably.
Not well-versed in the bond market, so I really shouldn't be dabbling, but this multi-day drop was too tempting not to take a position.
Glad to be the first non-moderator to post here...ha!
Which is stronger, commodities or bonds? The below relative strength chart shows the $CRB/AGG ratio. AGG has been outperforming since July 08 but it appears that relationship might now be turning.
AGG on the verge of rolling over. $$$ must be coming out of bonds and rotating into stocks. Looks like next AGG target is the 100-day MA on the daily chart.
Two new AGG charts in iBox. Renko currently rolling over to the downside while P&F is bullish.
Got out of AGG today. Waited a tad too long...
AGG in presignal sell area. Need a close <= Parabolic SAR on the daily chart in the iBox.
The Bernanke Mission: Buy bonds and drive the 30 year yields down to 4.25% and 4.5%. What impact and change will that have on the bigger picture?
Monday, Bernanke said the Fed could directly intervene in markets to stimulate the economy, saying it could purchase U.S. government bonds to drive down yields or private sector debt to narrow spreads and lower borrowing costs.
This "intervention" will obviously come at a cost. As the Fed continues to buy 10 and 30 year bonds, it creates a further erosion of their balance sheets ... balance sheets that were already hurt by buying bad bank obligations.
The impact of that, is that Foreigners consider the U.S.'s credit rating to be falling. No credit rating agency needs to change the rating ... the markets make the judgment on their own and it affects how they allocate their money. For Foreigners, it depreciates the trustworthiness of the Dollar and causes them to redeploy assets away from Dollar related investments. That becomes troublesome for our stock market. As investors become interested in buying, foreigners become less interested and reduce their exposure. If both parties were contradicting each other with a similar amount of money, it would become a zero-sum game for the stock market. For those of you who have heard analyst saying that, "The Fed's actions will turn a credit crisis into a currency crisis", the above explanation gives investors the reason why analyst are starting to worry about our currency.
However dire you think U.S. government’s fiscal condition has become… today we learn it’s even worse. For starters, would you invest in this business?
2008 fiscal year net operating cost: $1 trillion. Triple that of 2007. And those aren’t funky alternative accounting methods… today’s charts and numbers come directly from the 2008 Financial Report of the U.S. Government, issued yesterday.
What is “net cost”? It is “computed by subtracting earned revenue from gross cost,” the GAO explains on Page 29 of the government’s 194-page release. A layman might even call it a deficit. A layman who reads The 5 might notice it’s more than double the “official” 2008 federal deficit of $454.8 billion.
And how about this balance sheet?
God bless America!
And here… we saved the best for last … this chart, exactly as it appears in the Treasury’s report:
Our balance sheet shows a $10.7 trillion mountain of debt. In the same report, the Treasury suggested unfunded liabilities like Social Security and Medicare now exceed $43 billion. Put the two together, as we did for I.O.U.S.A., and the U.S. is in the hole for at least $53 trillion.
Late yesterday, John Williams estimated it was closer to $66 trillion. Still want to buy those 10-year notes?
Is a Bernanke "gift" coming your way?
Marty Chenard
Dec. 16, 2008
Yesterday, Bernanke said the Fed could directly intervene in markets to stimulate the economy, saying it could purchase U.S. government bonds to drive down yields or private sector debt to narrow spreads and lower borrowing costs.
More market intervention ... and less free market balancing forces is a bad idea. While we understand what Bernanke is trying to do, there is no free ride in the end.
As 30 year yields are driven down by the Fed, bond prices will be forced into an unsustainable bubble. Fix the immediate problems now and deal with the repercussions later seems to be the only strategy that the Fed and Government can think of.
Bernanke wants to drive down mortgage costs to 4.25% to 4.5%. That would help the housing sector and start to whittle down the huge unsold inventories. Banks aren't exactly playing the same game yet. While 30 year yields have dropped sharply, banks held the 30 year rate at 5.12% for days without budging.
Yes, they did give in on the points, reducing new loans from 2 points to 1 point. And then yesterday, many banks moved the mortgage rates down to 5% with a 1 point charge.
This whole scenario reminds me of an old Corvair I had as a kid back up in the cold New England winters. I would crank the engine and it would sputter for 3 seconds and die. The next try would sputter for 6 seconds and die. Ten tries later, the battery died.
I hope this doesn't turn out to be the scenario on forcing low yields into play ... lower yields and the economy shows noises of trying to crank up, but it fails. The Fed intervenes and buy bonds ... and we crank things up for a little longer. After a while, the battery runs out of its charge as too many Bernanke cranks on the engine leaves him with a dead battery and a bond bubble that can't be sustained.
In the meantime, enjoy the ride. If yields drop to 4.25% with 1 point, or 4.5% with no points, reduce your monthly mortgage payments and take the deal if your home is not paid off. Of course, that presumes that you will have a good enough credit rating and a job. ( I now am hearing of employed friends being told that they will not be laid off ... BUT, they will be given pay cuts.)
Let's now look at the 30 year yield (TYX) chart and see what's going on. A quick look and you can see how 30 year yields have plummeted since the end of November. The Fed still wants the 30 year mortgages to drop a half to three-quarters of a percent, so they have more work to do. Pushing the current drop further will put 30 year bonds in a bubble that will not unwind pleasantly.
Yesterday, the TYX movement had our Accelerator drop while being in negative territory. So, for now, Bernanke has the upper hand as he turns his key and cranks the engine, hopping it will catch and start up the economy.
Is a Bernanke "gift" coming your way? It sure looks like it. In the meantime Bernanke's strategy is also saying: "Let's create a bond bubble ... won't that be fun?"
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A Nightmare Before Christmas
Peter Schiff
Dec 15, 2008
Like many pragmatic economists I have always warned that rapid expansions of government debt would result in inflation and higher interest rates. The explanation was always simple: rising supply of government debt inflates the money supply and weakens the government's ability to service its debt through legitimate means.
But in recent months, government has flooded the market with hundreds of new Treasury obligations and telegraphed its intention to increase the deluge even more. In response, both bond prices and the dollar have risen. This benign reaction has led many to the happy conclusion that the doom and gloomers are wrong and that bailouts and economic "stimuli" can be financed with deficit spending without any adverse consequences on interest rates or consumer prices. Recent action in the foreign exchange markets suggests these hopes will prove illusory. The renewed strength in gold, together with the long overdue rupture of the correlation between the movements of foreign currencies and U.S. equities, is further evidence that recent market dynamics are changing.
When the financial crisis of 2008 kicked into high gear in September, the U.S. dollar began to rally furiously. While America's economic ship was sinking from stem to stern, its currency was becoming the must have asset for public and private investors around the world. The dollar benefitted from the positive flows that resulted from massive global deleveraging. Treasuries got an added boost from a reflexive flight to "safety." As a result, politicians were able to fill out their Christmas wish lists with complete confidence that Santa would deliver. However, as these dollar-positive forces appear to be giving way, the Grinch is about make an unwanted appearance.
Last weekend Barack Obama announced his intention to implement a New Deal-style stimulus and public works program. What he somehow forgot to mention is that the United States is wholly dependent on the willingness of foreign creditors to supply the funds. But a weakening dollar makes continued foreign purchase of U.S. Treasuries a much more difficult decision.
Once the dollar begins to collapse beneath the weight of all this new deficit spending, accumulation of contingency liabilities, and the socialization of our economy, commodity prices and interest rates will head skyward. In addition, once all the going out of business sales at U.S. retailers are over, and excess inventories have been reduced, watch for big price increases at the consumer level as well.
Once the government runs out of foreign and private sector bidders for new treasuries, the Federal Reserve will be the only buyer, and the hyper-inflation cat will be completely out of the bag. Sensing this, the Fed has recently indicated a desire to begin issuing its own bonds. However, since dollars are already recorded as liabilities on the Fed's balance sheet (dollars are in actuality Federal Reserve Notes) the Fed already issues debt. The difference now is that they are proposing to issue interest bearing debt. Perhaps the Fed feels this will make holding its notes more appealing. However, since the interest will be paid in more of its own script, I do not believe this con will work.
In the end, rather than filling our stockings with Christmas goodies, our foreign creditors will likely substitute lumps of coal. Of course given how high coal prices will ultimately rise as a result of all this inflation, in Christmas Future perhaps our stockings will be stuffed with nothing but our own worthless currency. It might not burn as well as coal, but at least we will have plenty of it.
Dec 12, 2008
Peter Schiff
C.E.O. and Chief Global Strategist
Euro Pacific Capital, Inc.
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Forecast: A Long, Cold Winter
Stephanie Pomboy, Founder and President, MacroMavens
By LAWRENCE C. STRAUSS
AN INTERVIEW WITH STEPHANIE POMBOY: It will take consumers at least five years -- and probably more -- to recover from this crisis.
"LIKE THE BUBBLE IN FINANCIAL ASSETS, THE NEW REAL-ESTATE bubble has its own distinctly disturbing characteristics," Stephanie Pomboy wrote in an April 2002 note titled "The Great Bubble Transfer." The founder and president of MacroMavens was on to something, even if she was early, and she worried about the big buildup of consumer debt fueled by rising home prices. Pomboy, whose Manhattan firm analyzes macroeconomic themes and their investment implications, remains bearish, convinced that a long period of paltry U.S. economic growth is in store -- akin to what happened in Japan in the 1990s. For more of her views and forecasts, read on.
Brad Trent for Barron's
"If you want to get long socialism, one of the next market segments that will be given a guarantee will be municipal bonds." –Stephanie Pomboy
Barron's: How bad has the macro economy gotten?
Pomboy: It is certainly the toughest one any of us has lived through. My fear is that it's actually just in the early stages and that it is going to get substantially worse on the economic side, although all the government measures that have taken place so far might help to insulate some of the damage on the financial side.
What about the short-term outlook?
Having been bearish, for me the real challenge is to identify the turn. One thing at work right now is what I call the cattle prod -- essentially the Fed poking people to take risk. They are taxing cash by having negative real returns on cash. At the same time, yields on investment-grade and junk bonds are incredibly alluring. You can pick up 15 percentage points over cash buying junk bonds. Or you can pick up 8.5 percentage points on investment-grade paper. At some point, the cattle prod will get people moving, as it did in March of '03 when the market turned.
What else do you see happening in the near term?
With the government guaranteeing all manner of private-credit claims, many investors may decide to get long "socialism," for lack of a better term. Or, as some euphemistically put it, this is partnering with the government. So in the short run, we could see a rally in risky assets and a selloff in Treasuries. But the economic deleveraging has barely begun, and that's my longer-term thesis. It all revolves around the idea that U.S. consumers are actually going to do the unthinkable -- they are going to save -- and that we will be more like Japan than anyone believes is possible.
Hence, consumption declines.
Right. Wages have been silently crowded out by benefits as a share of total compensation, as companies look to offset rising health-care costs. The result is that the share of income that consumers can actually spend is at its lowest in the post-war period. It had not been a problem, because consumers would just borrow to fill that gap. But now, they don't have appreciating assets against which to borrow. So while we could get a rally in risk assets -- including high-yield debt -- it's likely to be a short-term rally within a context of a secular bear market.
Any other important longer-term trends you expect?
We are going to see a secular rotation from paper assets to hard assets like gold. The whole global competitive currency devaluation, including that of the dollar, plays right into that.
Do you see any asset classes besides junk bonds benefiting from a short-term rally?
There is a chance that equities participate in that rally as well, although I think investment-grade corporate credits look much more attractive than stocks. But when you think about pension funds that are trying to make 8% annual returns, they are not doing it by getting 1% on two-year Treasury notes. They can't use the secret sauce of leverage anymore.
If I was going to hold my nose and buy anything, I probably would buy higher-quality corporate credits. If you want to get long socialism, one of the next segments of the market that will be given a guarantee will be municipal bonds. That's because state and local governments are a huge share of total [gross domestic product] and employment, and we can't afford to have them down for the count.
One thing that caught our eye in one of your recent notes was the steep decline of Treasury-buying by foreigners. What are the ramifications of that?
We are acting as though there are no consequences to basically running the money off the printing press and handing it to the Federal government to backstop financial markets or bail out homeowners or what not. There is no consequence to doing this, unless or until the rest of the world says to us, 'We don't like this game' and 'We don't want to have all the dollar claims we are holding debased by [Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke] running his printing press.'
So if foreign investors stop buying Treasuries, or even significantly pare their buying, that means higher rates in the U.S.
That's correct. But then [Bernanke] will start buying Treasuries to arrest the rise in interest rates. I've always had a very simplistic view about this: Either we are going to pay for our policy sins via higher interest rates or a weaker dollar. And for an economy that is as levered as the one in the U.S. is, the former choice is not an option. We can't pay through higher interest rates; we barely got to 4.5%, 5% before the whole subprime crisis erupted. So a weaker dollar is the natural valve. But right now, we are enjoying some real competition in the ugly contest from the currencies of the European Union and the United Kingdom, and that will probably persist for a while because they are in pretty bad shape, and they are a little bit behind the curve relative to us.
Could you elaborate on that choice between higher rates or a weaker dollar?
If we rely on foreign creditors to lend us the money to sustain our lifestyles -- and that's what we do -- we need to compensate them for that risk of lending to us. As the economy weakens and our credit quality should theoretically be deteriorating, the only way we can really attract that same capital is by offering a higher interest rate or making our assets cheaper to them, in this case by having our currency be weaker.
How would you assess the job Fed Chairman Bernanke and Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson have done in responding to the financial crisis?
My preferred solution would have been to do nothing. I think it's the meddling of policy makers that got us into this situation in the first place, along with the asymmetric practice of capitalism where, as long as everyone is succeeding, it is wonderful thing -- but the moment someone fails, we need to revert to socialism. That is really how we got to this place. And [former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan] Greenspan's desire to constantly lubricate any pain by pumping money into the system really created this bubble. But since doing nothing was not a compelling option to [Bernanke and Paulson], I would have favored more aggressive action to arrest home-price deflation, which would have been tackling the disease. Instead, they've chosen to treat the symptoms. Having said all of that, Bernanke and Paulson are determined to mitigate the pain.
You were concerned about housing before it blew up. What worried you?
First, it was the incredible expansion in lending on housing. I was also focused on the share of household income that was actually spendable money, and it was puzzling how consumers could sustain consumption when their income certainly wasn't supportive of that. Clearly, the reliance on asset inflation as a substitute for income was a major source of concern for me.
It also shocked me that as a share of bank assets, exposure to real estate was at a record level. Almost 50% of total bank assets were either in first mortgages, mortgage-backed securities or investments in real estate, and that was unprecedented. And yet there seemed to be this general idea that 'Oh, no, the banks had securitized and off-loaded all of their real-estate risk.' Clearly, as we have discovered, that was not the case at all. Yes, they securitized a lot of mortgages, but then they turned around and invested it in mortgage-backed securities. Ultimately, they ended up sitting on record exposure to one of the biggest bubbles in our lifetime.
What kind of economic conditions do you see going forward?
I expect that we'll just have a prolonged period of subpar growth. I don't think it will be exactly like Japan, but it will be Japanesque. Clearly, we have been far more aggressive in the U.S., in terms of policy actions. But what will happen here is that credit is no longer the answer, because households decide they don't want to borrow. As a result, the government will really become more important as spender of last resort.
What domestic GDP growth will we get?
In terms of nominal GDP, I see it being around 1% for a long time, five years for sure. One thing to consider is that after the dot-com bubble burst, it took the corporate sector five years to get back to the 2000 peak for capital expenditures, and employment never got back to that level. And the tech bubble was nothing as a share of total assets compared to housing on household balance sheets. This is so much larger. If it took the corporate sector five years to recover from the bursting of the dot-com bubble, to suggest that it would take five years for consumers to recover from this seems like a very conservative call.
What about unemployment?
Having the standard unemployment rate at 10% is definitely a possibility, though it does depend on what is done in terms of the state and local governments, which are 13% of total employment. But they have been the only area that is growing right now in terms of employment.
Where do you see rates going?
I have been bullish on Treasuries, and I did feel silly sticking with that view, because I'm really squeezing the last couple of basis points out of a multi-decade bull market. Having said that, looking back at the charts of JGBs [Japanese government bonds] in 1989, I am certain no one back then thought JGBs would ever yield under 1%. And here in 2008, even in the dark recesses of my bear cave with all the other growling bears in there, nobody believes that could happen here. There's this sense about how horrible it is that Treasuries have been able to get to these low yields, and I totally agree.
We are really abusing the privilege of dollar hegemony by printing all this money. But if I'm right and the whole economic deleveraging is still to come, you might get a selloff in Treasuries on this short-term rally in riskier assets. Then, the next thing you know, people will say, "Oh, wait. Consumers aren't coming back to the trough, this is a problem," and the market will sell off further. So on balance, I wouldn't short Treasuries.
Where do you see opportunities?
In terms of absolute returns, it is going to be very hard to come up with really compelling ideas. I like hard assets in this environment, gold in particular, where basically the major currencies are all being debased. I also think emerging markets, on a relative basis, are going to do much better than developed markets are.
We are all hanging on the edge of our seats to find out if China can pull off keeping its economy going while the rest of the world goes down the tubes. This shock-and-awe stimulus that China is applying to its own economy certainly speaks to its urgent motivation to ensure that its GDP growth stays at 10%-plus. So with the arsenal of foreign reserves they can continue to tap to support growth, I would be looking at going long equities in emerging Asian countries, including China, as well as commodities, which move hand-in-hand with emerging markets.
Why would China want to lighten its holdings of Treasuries?
It just seems to be a no-brainer that you would rather support local consumption than buy U.S. Treasuries. The interesting thing is that, contrary to most people's impressions, foreign holdings of Treasuries are really short term. Fifty percent of foreign Treasury holdings have a maturity of three years or less, so foreign holders are constantly facing the decision of what to do with rolling over that paper. It can change very quickly.
What keeps you up at night?
I do worry about preservation of capital from the standpoint of how many more unconventional policy actions we are going to have. If I'm correct about the economic deleveraging still ahead and that it will continue for many years, that's a legitimate concern.
That's why I'm long gold. I view it as the best way to protect my capital. The other worry is unemployment and this vicious circle where as consumers spend less, companies make less money, and they cut back workers.
The unemployment rate continues to rise. It is very hard to figure out how you break out of that.
Thanks, Stephanie.
“You could gamble on an adverse reaction in Treasuries on Dec. 16,” Parenteau chimes in for a second time this Monday, “if the Fed gets more explicit about end of fed funds rate cuts/onto official quantitative easing mode. But my own sense is the economic data are going to print so horrendous into the first quarter of 2009 that equities sell down again.
“This is getting deadly serious, I’ve never seen anything like it, and it’s global. Default-free Treasuries will still get snapped up at ridiculously low yields. And if the Fed does cut 50 points, a lot of money is likely to migrate out of money market funds into some part of the Treasury curve.”
In other words, the bubble in Treasuries likely has room to grow.
An Economic Nightmare Before Christmas
by: Peter Schiff December 14, 2008
Like many pragmatic economists I have always warned that rapid expansions of government debt would result in inflation and higher interest rates. The explanation was always simple: rising supply of government debt inflates the money supply and weakens the government’s ability to service its debt through legitimate means.
But in recent months, government has flooded the market with hundreds of new Treasury obligations and telegraphed its intention to increase the deluge even more. In response, both bond prices and the dollar have risen. This benign reaction has led many to the happy conclusion that the doom and gloomers are wrong and that bailouts and economic “stimuli” can be financed with deficit spending without any adverse consequences on interest rates or consumer prices. Recent action in the foreign exchange markets suggests these hopes will prove illusory. The renewed strength in gold, together with the long over do rupture of the correlation between the movements of foreign currencies and U.S. equities, is further evidence that recent market dynamics are changing.
When the financial crisis of 2008 kicked into high gear in September, the U.S. dollar began to rally furiously. While America’s economic ship was sinking from stem to stern, its currency was becoming the must have asset for public and private investors around the world. The dollar benefitted from the positive flows that result from massive global deleveraging. Treasuries got an added boost from a reflexive flight to “safety.” As a result, politicians were able to fill out their Christmas wish lists with complete confidence that Santa would deliver. However, as these dollar-positive forces appear to be giving way, the Grinch is about make an unwanted appearance.
Last weekend Barack Obama announced his intention to implement a New Deal-style stimulus and public works program. What he somehow forgot to mention is that the United States is wholly dependent on the willingness of foreign creditors to supply the funds. But a weakening dollar makes continued foreign purchase of U.S. Treasuries a much more difficult decision.
Once the dollar begins to collapse beneath the weight of all this new deficit spending, accumulation of contingency liabilities, and the socialization of our economy, commodity prices and interest rates will head skyward. In addition, once all the going out of business sales at U.S. retailers are over, and excess inventories have been reduced, watch for big price increases at the consumer level as well.
Once the government runs out of foreign and private sector bidders for new treasuries, the Federal Reserve will be the only buyer, and the hyper-inflation cat will be completely out of the bag. Sensing this, the Fed has recently indicated a desire to begin issuing its own bonds. However, since dollars are already recorded as liabilities on the Fed’s balance sheet (dollars are in actuality Federal Reserve Notes) the Fed already issues debt. The difference now is that they are proposing to issue interest bearing debt. Perhaps the Fed feels this will make holding its notes more appealing. However, since the interest will be paid in more of its own script, I do not believe this con will work.
In the end, rather than filling our stockings with Christmas goodies, our foreign creditors will likely substitute lumps of coal. Of course given how high coal prices will ultimately rise as a result of all this inflation, in Christmas Future perhaps our stockings will be stuffed with nothing but our own worthless currency. It might night burn as well as coal, but at least we will have plenty of it.
Fear in Bond Market at Record Levels
http://blogs.navellier.com/images/uploads/pdfs/bond_fear.pdf
Postcards from the Bond Market's Edge
http://www.moneyandmarkets.com/postcards-from-the-bond-market-edge-2-28681
The rally in Treasuries this week is stoking concerns that the $5.3 trillion market for U.S. government debt is a bubble waiting to burst, according to Bill Gross, co-chief investment officer of Newport Beach, California-based Pacific Investment Management Co., which oversees the world’s largest bond fund.
“Treasuries have some bubble characteristics, certainly the Treasury bill does,” Gross said in a Bloomberg Television interview on Dec. 10. “A Treasury bill at zero percent is overvalued. Who could argue with that in terms of the return relative to the risk?”
The U.S. has pledged $8.5 trillion, more than half of the country’s gross domestic product, to spur lending and bail out troubled companies to limit the damage of the recession.
A treasury bubble burst should give a significant boost to SRS.
I was so concerned about the treasury bubble bursting that I locked in a 15-year refinance mortgage @ 4.875 with no points or origination fee today. Probably did not get the bottom, but I don't want to run the risk of seeing an opportunity get away with the treasury bubble going pop...
do u think tbt will explode here as treasury bubble bursts?
Bill Gross’s position on the Treasury Bond Bubble
http://www.bloomberg.com/avp/avp.htm?clipSRC=mms://media2.bloomberg.com/cache/vS5IQWdOi_kk.asf
Look to TBT #board- 12532 to exploit the upcoming burst…
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Jim Rodgers predicted two years ago that the credit bubble would devastate Wall Street.
We are in a period of forced liquidation, which has happened only eight or nine times in the past 150 years. The fact that it's historic doesn't make it any more fun, of course. But it is a pretty interesting time when there is forced selling of everything with no regard for facts or fundamentals at all. Historically, the way you make money in times like these is that you find things where the fundamentals are unimpaired. The fundamentals of GM are impaired. The fundamentals of Citigroup are impaired.
Virtually the only asset class I know where the fundamentals are not impaired - in fact, where they are actually improving - is commodities. Farmers cannot get a loan to buy fertilizer right now. Nobody's going to get a loan to open a zinc or a lead mine. Meanwhile, every day the supply of commodities shrinks more and more. Nobody can invest in productive capacity, even if he wants to. You're going to see gigantic shortages developing over the next few years. The inventories of food worldwide are already at the lowest levels they've been in 50 years. This may turn into the Great Depression II. But if and when we come out of this, commodities are going to lead the way, just as they did in the 1970s when everything was a disaster and commodities went through the roof.
What I've been buying recently is agricultural commodities. I've also been buying more Chinese stocks. And I'm buying stocks in Taiwan for the first time in my life. It looks as if there's finally going to be peace in Taiwan after 60 years, and Taiwanese companies are going to benefit from the long-term growth of China.
I have covered most of my short positions in U.S. stocks, and I'm now selling long-term U.S. government bonds short. That's the last bubble I can find in the U.S. I cannot imagine why anybody would give money to the U.S. government for 30 years for less than a 4% yield. I certainly wouldn't. There are going to be gigantic amounts of bonds coming to the market, and inflation will be coming back.
In my view, U.S. stocks are still not attractive. Historically, you buy stocks when they're yielding 6% and selling at eight times earnings. You sell them when they're at 22 times earnings and yielding 2%. Right now U.S. stocks are down a lot, but they're still very expensive by that historical valuation method. The U.S. market is yielding 3% today. For stocks to go to a 6% yield without big dividend increases, the Dow will need to go below 4000. I'm not saying it will fall that far, but it could very well happen. And if it gets that low and I'm still solvent, I hope I'm smart enough to buy a lot. The key in times like these is to stay solvent so you can load up when opportunity comes.
How Rush to Treasury ETFs Could Slow Recovery
December 10, 2008 at 12:00 pm by Tom Lydon
This is the worst economic contraction on record, which sent investors on a safe-haven scavenger hunt, in turn sending the yields on stocks and treasury exchange traded funds (ETFs) to lows not seen in 50 years.
The Treasury’s benchmark 10-year note touched 2.50%, a level not seen since 1954, while the 30-year note dabbled around 3%, with 20-year notes trading around 3%, reports Randall W. Forsyth for Barron’s. The declines in yields have to do with the onslaught of investors rushing to government securities for safe hiding after the stock market’s steep slide.
Some economists fear that a rush to Treasury bonds and ETFs could actually slow the economic recovery, report Vikas Bajaj and Michael M. Grynbaum for the New York Times. If investors continue to remain loath to put money into stocks and corporate bunds, it will constrict the amount of funds that businesses need to finance their operations.
Tuesday’s auction of $30 billion in short-term securities came at a 0% yield, which investors accepted. Demand was so great, in fact, that the government could have sold four times as much.
Meanwhile, possibilities for a bigger bond supply are evident after President-elect Barack Obama announced plans for the biggest infrastructure investment program since the 1950s, reports Ian Chua for Hemscott. Bond yields are already at historic lows, so investors may need more incentives to put their money into the bond market right now.
The sales aren’t over, though. Deborah Lynn Blumberg for the Wall Street Journal reports that the U.S. government could sell more than $400 billion in Treasury notes and bills in the final weeks of the year to cover its soaring funding needs. If it were any other “normal” time in the stock market, yields would be set to expand, causing a bond frenzy.
AGG currently underperforming relative to TLT since mid Nov. See last panel in the daily chart in the iBox.
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