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04/30/03 2:51 PM

#21977 RE: Learning2vest #21974

That's an interesting way of looking at it:


"One hundred percent(100%) of the commercial success, earning power, and sustained revenue growth necessary to create value appreciation in a publicly traded company is created by;

A) The management, employees, and business partners of the company.

B) Speculative investors who buy shares in the company.

I answered "A" on that one, and will vote "yes" on Management's proposal requesting additional shares for the incentive program."



In that same vein, maybe we should approve another 5 or 10 million options for those business partners who sign license agreements with us? <g>

I'm always amazed at how much some owners of a company are willing to pay people to run it. If IDCC really has the goods then it shouldn't be that hard to collect. On the otherhand, if IDCC's goods are suspect, and only a wizard can extract value, then perhaps management deserves most of any profit they are able to realize?

It seems that's what some are arguing.

Once


dndodd

04/30/03 2:54 PM

#21979 RE: Learning2vest #21974

L2V,

That was simple and Great.

David

rmarchma

04/30/03 3:54 PM

#22000 RE: Learning2vest #21974

L2vest another simple survey for you to take

1. The purpose of cash salaries and bonuses are to:

(A) reward employees for expected work (salary) and exceptional work (bonuses)

(B) reward stockholder owners for their capital investment and financial risks


2. The purpose of corporate profits and share price appreciation are to:

(A) reward employees for expected work and exceptional work

(B) reward stockholder owners for their investment and financial risks


Before you answer the above questions ask yourself: should stockholder owners be entitled to salary and bonuses for doing NO work? Then ask yourself: should employees be entitled to corporate profits and price appreciation for taking NO financial risks? BTW I voted A to question number 1, and B to question number 2. Therefore I will vote NO to additional stock options on the proxy.

I'll still stand by the following paragraph from an email I previously sent to IDCC's Board of Directors as follows:

I believe that the top executives at IDCC are already getting far above reasonable cash compensation in salaries and bonuses from a small-cap company for their efforts. This is their job and what they are paid to do. The outside stockholders, who are investing their cash at the prevailing market prices, are the ones who are taking all the risks with this company. For that risk, our only compensation is through the future stock price appreciation, if the company pays no dividend. And that future stock price appreciation should not be tremendously reduced through dilution by those who take no risk through options/warrants/restricted stock, and have already received overly generous cash compensation.




The Count

04/30/03 4:09 PM

#22004 RE: Learning2vest #21974

Learning2vest, you question is intriguing

One hundred percent(100%) of the commercial success, earning power, and sustained revenue growth necessary to create value appreciation in a publicly traded company is created by;

A) The management, employees, and business partners of the company.

B) Speculative investors who buy shares in the company.


Posing the question that way makes me wonder why you invest in the stock market - it seems you don't have much respect for the investing public.

Are you saying that speculative investors who buy shares are greedy pigs living of the sweat of others and should be grateful for whatever they get?

Do you feel those investors are really just leeches and worthy of contempt of the income generators?

The purpose of the secondary market is to allow for capital creation. If there was not a liquid, viable market for people to sell into, capital would not flow into new businesses because even if they succeed, lack of liquidity would force them to sell at low prices or keep their capital tied up longer as they searched for a buyer. Therefore, neither answer you propose is correct, because without the capital contributed originally there would be zero value. Also, without a secondary market the value creation would be difficult to cash out – workers could get there share of the earning (of course, they’d also have to pony up their share of any losses), but can you imagine trying to sell .000013% of a business to someone. The legal fees alone would kill most sales.

There is a philosophy that ties out with your "A" answer, where profits are seen as the result of the exploitation of the workers who create the wealth. That again ignores the investment of capital and risk taking. It has been tried many places over the last century and widely believed to be found inferior as an economic system, not to mention the political problems it creates.

Buying stock makes me a partial owner of the company. It does not give me the right to tell management how to handle day to day operations, but it does give me the right to vote on certain issues and stock grants are one of them. To simply leave that decision to management is a failure of your responsibility to yourself. It’s one thing to look at the option proposal and deem it fair and reasonable, but to simply kowtow to managements wishes regarding their ability to pay themselves is foolish. I hope management does not adopt the same philosophy with the other employees. Otherwise, they can all just request a raise whenever the company is doing well, and management would just rubber stamp it yes because without the workers, where would they be?

Reasonableness.
Proportion.
Justification.
Fairness.


That’s what I’m concerned about.




Corp_Buyer

05/01/03 7:12 PM

#22283 RE: Learning2vest #21974

Where ELSE can Management get a job ...

... that will pay them $400K (average) annually and where they already have 14M ISO option shares to control 28% of a public company already worth over $1 Billion?

Answer: NO WHERE!!!

Vote NO MORE ISO Option shares i.e. NO on proposition #2. There is ABSOLUTELY NO NEED to pay management any more compensation. PERIOD.

Please vote NO so that management will finally turn their attention to driving our stock price per share, not driving their desire to own more shares by requesting more and more ISO shares year after year while holding the share price down with coordinated group insider sales, back-end loaded license deals, no PR, etc., IMO.

I am ready for front-end license deals, more PR on patents and essential technologies, and dropping more money to the bottom line in EPS.

Please do not transfer any more investor wealth to our management. They are paid QUITE well enough and they are not going to go anywhere else voluntarily.

So, VOTE NO on Proposition #2.

Best Regards,
Corp_Buyer

ps L2V - I always love your posts, and I too support management and all their efforts to build our company, but I sincerely believe you are way off base in such blind support for unlimited compensation. By "unlimited", I mean without any discretion or cutoff by shareholders, which is now long overdue for all the reasons I have posted previously.