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flipper44

12/21/13 1:02 PM

#2978 RE: ospreyeye #2977

Ospreyeye, Response Post 1 of 3.

Feuerstein believed in ICT-107 over DCVAX for a very long time before the disappointing (but not necessarily fatal) results from ICT-107's phase 2 results. Now he feels obligated to scream twice as loud and illogically against NWBO.


On February 15, 2013, Feuerstein saw enough difference to favor ICT-107. Mr. Smith however, in a February 19, 2013 reply defended DCVAX chances.



Here is the relevant conversation.


"11. Adam Feuerstein: I'm skeptical about ImmunoCellular but with an open mind waiting for data at year's end from the first adequately designed study of ICT-107. Northwest Biotherapeutics is much more difficult to take seriously given the company's checkered past and present.

SmithOnStocks: Of all the comments that Mr. Feuerstein has made, I find this to be the most puzzling as to why he is open-minded about IMUC and close-minded about NWBO. Let me go through some important points to consider.

1. Both ImmunoCellular and Northwest Biotherapeutics are basing their studies on small phase I/II data sets. There were 16 patients in the ICT-107 study and 20 in the trials of DCVax-L. The results (as reported by the companies in their investor presentations) were remarkably similar as progression free survival was 16.9 months for ICT-107 and 26.4 months for DCVax-L. Median overall survival was 38.4 months for ICT-107 and 36.4 months for DCVax-L.

2. Both IMUC and NWBO are comparing the results of their phase I or I/II trials to the clinical results in matched patients treated with standard of care. The companies use different methods of portraying the comparison but both are doing so. Mr. Feuerstein was fiercely critical of the chart in which NWBO compared its Phase I/II data with matched controls.

3. NWBO is now in a Phase III trial while IMUC is in a Phase II trial. In his presentation at the BIO CEO conference in early February, the CEO of ImmunoCellular described the ongoing 124 patient ICT-107 trial as a phase II trial and stated that he believed the company would have to do a confirmatory phase III trial before seeking regulatory approval. Mr. Feuerstein did not indicate whether he believes this is a phase II or phase III trial, but other bloggers have mistakenly stated that it is a phase III trial.

4. NWBO's current 312 patient phase III trial is nearly three times the size of IMUC's current 124 patient phase II trial. There is a widespread misconception about the patient size of the IMUC's current trial." -- February 19, 2013 -- Continued next post.

flipper44

12/21/13 1:06 PM

#2980 RE: ospreyeye #2977

Part 2 of 3 Larry Smith reply from February 2013.

"Because ICT-107 only works in a certain immune type (HLA A1 and A2 positive) it is not applicable to the entire glioblastoma population. In the phase I/II trial of ICT-107, the company screened 278 patients, but only 124 patients were randomized and enrolled in the trial. Over 50% of patients screened were excluded, primarily because of the immune typing issue. Some investors have not understood that this is a 124 patient trial, not 278 patients.

5. NWBO's phase III trial has a better chance of reaching statistical significance because it is so much larger. The size of IMUC's trial (number of patients) is relatively small in relation to the anticipated difference in treatment outcome (6 months of additional survival), and may be underpowered.

6. NWBO's trial has been approved as a Phase III trial by two different regulators: the US FDA and UK MHRA. IMUC's trial has only been approved as a phase II trial by one regulator (the FDA).

7. NWBO has extensive collaborations with large marquee partners in both the US and Europe, which provides significant third party validation. There is no such validation for IMUC's technology.

8. NWBO has completed phase I/II trials in two other cancers besides brain cancer (prostate and ovarian) cancers, and both of these trials had encouraging or striking results. IMUC has not conducted any other clinical trials with any other product besides the one 16-patient Phase I trial in brain cancer with ICT 107.

9. NWBO has received more regulatory approvals for more and larger trials than IMUC. NWBO received an extraordinary scope of approval from FDA for its first-in-man, combined phase I and II trial of its DCVax-Direct product for direct injection of dendritic cell precursors into any type of solid tumor that is inoperable. This trial starts with 36 patients, and includes dose escalation and confirmation, and efficacy endpoints, not just safety. NWBO also received FDA approval some time ago for a 612-patient randomized, controlled phase III trial in prostate cancer.

IMUC has received only small phase I trial approvals beyond its current phase II trial with ICT 107. IMUC received FDA approval of a small phase I trial in recurrent GBM brain cancer (the same type of brain cancer as is already addressed in its current trial), and a 20-patient phase I trial in ovarian cancer.

10. NWBO's product lines have broader applicability to diverse cancers than IMUC's products. NWBO's DCVax-L is applicable to all solid tumor cancers that can be surgically resected. NWBO's DCVax-Direct is applicable to all solid tumor cancers that are inoperable - and FDA has approved it that broadly for trials. IMUC's products hopefully will eventually be shown to apply to several cancers, but as of now, IMUC's ICT-107 is only applicable to brain cancer and ICT-140 is only applicable to ovarian cancer. IMUC's ICT-121 targeting a single biomarker believed to be on cancer stem cells may eventually be applicable to many cancers but that is unclear as of now.

11. NWBO is positioned to be able to apply for product approval in both the US and Europe, while IMUC is only positioned in the US. NWBO is not only conducting its phase III trial in Europe, it has also established a manufacturing capability in Germany and the UK, a process that took more than two years, while IMUC is manufacturing only in the US.

In view of the above factors, I find it difficult to understand why Mr. Feuerstein is open-minded about IMUC as a company and close-minded about NWBO. I would also expect that Mr. Feuerstein would be more positive on DCVax-L than ICT-107, but for unexplained reasons he is more positive on ICT-107. I draw the opposite conclusion and find DCVax-L to be the product more likely to be successful in the current clinical trials." Continued in part 3

flipper44

12/21/13 1:10 PM

#2981 RE: ospreyeye #2977

Part 3 of 3: February 2013 response to Feuerstein by Larry Smith.

:While I favor the chances for success of DCVax-L over ICT-107 based on everything I know, investors should not think that I am slamming ICT-107. The most important thing to remember is that both ICT-107 and DCVax-L have shown unusual, powerful median overall survival and median progression free survival benefits in glioblastoma, an extremely aggressive cancer in which the average patient dies in about 14 months. There is a large unmet medical need for new and better treatments for brain cancer, and as I have previously written, both drugs have the potential to be successful in their clinical trials and subsequent commercialization. If their clinical trials are successful, both drugs have blockbuster potential. It is not a zero sums game between the two products."

ospreyeye

12/21/13 1:25 PM

#2982 RE: ospreyeye #2977

NWBO Monthly Chart: Bearish Dark Cloud Cover forming for the month of Dec.........checkout Accum/Dist.........smart money has been unloading since 20 got hit in Sept. 2012........after a pop in Nov. 2013, which was reminiscent of the Sept. spike, a bearish pattern has developed in Dec.........the Middle Bollinger Band @ 4.46 is the KEY level to close above & turn into support........NWBO closed above the Middle BB for the month of Nov., but has been struggling in Dec. to turn it into support........the Long upper tail/wick on last months candle shows profit taking and sent a bearish warning..........bearish dark cloud cover has been made possible by the high for the month & opening price of 4.94........NWBO gapped open higher for the month, but was unable to head higher after the opening trade........this has created no upper wick for Dec.'s candle..........the candle is bald on top........MARUBOZU in Japanese.........NWBO has formed an opening red Marobuzo & Bearish Dark Cloud Cover for Dec........Fast Sto, Full Sto & RSI are showing immense Bearish pressure.........Accum/Dist is showing major distribution of shares........throw on top of that IMU€ getting hammered & a damaging article form the Street.com & I think April 2012 support levels will be tested............the bears are on the attack w/ a ton of ammo.......if 3 support breaks 2 will be on deck..........$$$