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SoxFan

11/12/13 5:19 PM

#213362 RE: StephanieVanbryce #213361

I'm pretty sure we will take back the house by 2016 and maybe come close in 2014. 2016 will be a Presidential election and Republicans will be 4 years further behind the demographics curve and even more will turn out for the POTUS vote and they will be toast. Look how much it changes in 2013 vs 2008 and both Asian and Hispanics are growing very fast. Both vote overwhelmingly democratic so statewide races will clearly be in trouble in many state for Republicans. They will lose bigtime in 2016.
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11/12/13 7:18 PM

#213365 RE: StephanieVanbryce #213361

Elizabeth Warren will not run .. instant hit when i saw the chat .. why? .. she was even reluctant to run for the Senate .. i don't think it is in her nature to run under these circumstances, and i agree with F6, she is too smart .. this one by Slate Libertarian, Dave Weigel puts it better than others i've seen .. Hillary is more popular than ever .. NH prefers her, with a first polling 53 point lead over Elizabeth .. more of Weigel's in the NYT one below ..

The Media’s 2016 Presidential Fantasies

Political journalists are dreaming of a contest that’s just not there.

By David Weigel


Elizabeth Warren, Hillary Clinton Sen. Elizabeth Warren and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on Jan. 24, 2013.

Photo by Saul Loeb/AFP/Getty Images

These are dark times for America’s most beloved industry, the political media. In three years, the country will elect a new president. As they have since 2009, reporters and readers assume that the Democratic candidate, and likeliest winner, will be Hillary Clinton. Forget about the voters—won’t anyone think of the Web traffic? Nobody wants to cover the coronation of an icon who’ll be too staffed up and confident to give real access (or leaks) to reporters.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2013/11/elizabeth_warren_hillary_clinton_and_2016_speculation_media_is_applying.html

Got that one first then read the board just now this one which links Weigel's ..

What Should Hillary Fear?

Noam Scheiber’s big New Republic essay .. http://www.newrepublic.com/article/115509/elizabeth-warren-hillary-clintons-nightmare?utm_source=internal&utm_medium=flyout&utm_campaign=mostpopular .. on the idea of an Elizabeth Warren challenge to Hillary Clinton in 2016 is an illuminating window into the liberal mind circa 2013 and a fascinating political portrait-cum-psychobiography of Warren herself. What it is not, however, is a convincing argument that the presumptive Democratic nominee has anything significant to fear from a Warren candidacy right now, let alone that the Massachusetts Senator is anything like a “nightmare” for Team Clinton. Dave Weigel does a good job highlighting .. http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2013/11/elizabeth_warren_hillary_clinton_and_2016_speculation_media_is_applying.html .. one of the key factors that Scheiber’s analysis (rather oddly) leaves out: The demographics of the Democratic primary electorate, which made the Obama insurgency different from pretty much every liberal primary insurgency before it:

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Scheiber reminds us that Obama was able to upset Hillary Clinton: “All it takes is a single issue and a fresh face to bring the bad memories flooding back” among progressives. Both Scheiber and the New York Times’ Jonathan Martin mention Bill de Blasio’s victory in New York City’s Democratic primary for mayor. And you can’t explain the Obama or the de Blasio win without black voters.

A refresher: The president beat Clinton in a 50-state primary that she nearly won, by the end, as the salience of the Iraq War faded. Obama trounced Clinton in most of the caucuses, building a delegate margin, but he only stayed competitive because of black voters in Southern primary states. Obama was fading until the South Carolina primary .. http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/#SCDEM , when an electorate that was mostly black gave him a landslide that polling hadn’t predicted. There were 35 primaries to go: Clinton won 21 of them. (That number includes the Florida and Michigan races, which held votes but saw no campaigning due to a party dispute. Still, Clinton won them.) Of the states that went for Obama, only six of them—Illinois, Montana, Oregon, Utah, Vermont, and Wisconsin—gave him the win among white voters.

Scheiber blinks at this. A Democrat tells him that “the typical Democratic insurgent … captivates the latte-liberal demographic but has trouble making additional gains.” Right: Obama’s “additional gains” come from nonwhites!
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The rule in recent Democratic primaries is... http://douthat.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/11/12/what-should-hillary-fear/

i also read Limbaugh is pushing for an Elizabeth Warren challenge .. feels
like some far right and far left grouping again .. like on Benghazi? was it?