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drkazmd65

09/05/13 12:53 PM

#71796 RE: leifsmith #71795

I don't argue that an R/S is a 'bad' thing - especially if the fundamentals and direction of the company involved are good.

I argue that an R/S is just not needed, or merited at this stage of our corporate development.
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leifsmith

09/05/13 12:57 PM

#71798 RE: leifsmith #71795

Trying to be clear about "earning" a price of $5+ a share and the erroneous supposition that something unearned accrues to someone because of a reverse split.

If a RS takes us to $5+ a share nothing fake has happened. There would be no gain for anyone involved that could be called "unearned."

Hypothetical example using a 10 into 1 RS:
Before RS: My 10,000 shares at $1.00 is worth $10,000.
After RS: My 1000 shares at $10 is worth $10,000.
Same for everyone else, pro rata. No one has an unearned gain.

I'm posting about this so, if I'm wrong, someone can set me straight.

Suppose we are at $1 a share.
We want to earn a price of $2 a share.
We want the market cap to double.
We do a reverse split of 2 into 1.
Now we are at $2 a share.
Market cap (value to company) is unchanged.
We have produced no increase because of the RS, earned or unearned.
To earn the equivalent of a pre-split $2 a share, we need to get to $4 a share.
We need to earn a doubling of market cap.

If I'm wrong, please let me know. I may not respond but I will think about what you say.
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BonelessCat

09/05/13 1:02 PM

#71801 RE: leifsmith #71795

Yes, all true, but what will happen is the negative narrative will start up about screwing shareholders, typical OTC:BB POS, dilute and reverse and repeat, etc., etc., etc.

If the SP is 1.25 for a reverse of 4 to 1 then in theory the cap and value should remain, and after the reverse the SP should be $5. But, in the wild, wild west of trading, market perception based on negative narrative will impact cap and value by at 1/4 and up to 1/2. Yes, once the dust is settled the SP will return to $5 and probably higher, but until then one should expect lows around $3 before recovering and on wild swings.

Why is this? Where does the negative narrative come from? Three sources: 1) opportunists looking to sell and buy back lower or buy in at lowest possible value by taking advantage of all confusion caused by reverse uplisting. 2) Market makers who will still be trading from the old venue and new MMs on the new exchange will do all they can to maximize volume as well as maximize what the clip and shave. 3) long term short interest grandfathered in from before the changes to naked shorting rules in 2007 and 2008 as well as naked short float under current current rules and especially from off-shore markets such as Canada and Germany.

As for the grandfathered naked shorts these are open positions from the spike in 2006 when the SP ran to over $3. These guys are going to fight tooth and nail to prevent having to cover those long term open positions.