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SteveCK

08/16/13 1:52 PM

#30815 RE: irishintelligence #30806

Irish you are spot on!

Class 12 is exactly what happened to the WAMU CT.

They are getting $10.53 on each share of their CT.

LH is in a much stronger position then WAMU, I don't understand why people think we can fare any worse than WAMU?

WAMU got raped big time, out of the $7B+ of NOL, $5B+ went to JPM.

LH will not have this problem, it still has $450B+ in NOL plus the carry back cluase to give cash from day one of the post BK operation to rebuild.


--- Out of the ashes of its former glory, lays the seed of rebirth and hope.


Cheers everyone
Steve
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etzetrade

08/16/13 2:10 PM

#30818 RE: irishintelligence #30806

I thought the higher the number of the class, the lower the waterfall. Why should CTs move down to class 12?
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hestheman

08/16/13 3:00 PM

#30834 RE: irishintelligence #30806

Irish...once again, this is not a "line of thinking". This is fact. Like I said, I was once worried about the reallocation aspect of this bankruptcy as well....and the paid in full subject. I spoke to an attorney about the exact excerpts of the POR you are posting to me now. "To give effect to agreements of holders of subordinated claims" means that the reallocation is giving effect to the subordination agreement only. In our prospectus, we are subordinated to all other company debt. It does NOT mean that they are reallocating our face value or dividends to higher classes and that is in fact satisfying the payment terms of our contract because as I said, terms of contracts can NOT be reallocated in bankruptcy. "All distributions under the plan made by LBHI"....all distributions are being made by liquidation of physical assets. We have a spot in the bankruptcy waterfall...but because of the subordination clause our piece of the total bankruptcy asset pie is reallocated to the higher debt classes. Once those debt classes have received their agreed upon recovery, CTs prospectus terms ($25 face value and dividends) are still in tact. If you still do not understand or trust what I am saying, feel free to contact legal counsel. I have explained it a few times because I knew you from another stock board, but I am probably not going to explain this, or "paid in full" again.
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jshuey

08/16/13 3:16 PM

#30845 RE: irishintelligence #30806

I certainly am more pessimistic about our chances than many on this board, but I cannot follow how you get us to class 12. That was tried, and taken back. Also, if they wanted us there, they would have simply put is there in the POR - problem solved.

I suspect there may yet be an NOL play, though I doubt we'll see anything about that for another year.