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04/28/13 2:04 PM

#26638 RE: dragon52 #26637

Exactly the Banks packaged hundred of billion dollars those bad loans. It was not FNMA or FMCC mistake. Probably they will get those bad loans they packaged to FNMA and FMCC. Remember Bank of America got agreement with FNMA, 11.6 billion dollars resolution on January 07, 2013.
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~ Blue ~

04/28/13 2:05 PM

#26639 RE: dragon52 #26637

Show me any company that does over billions of dollars in profits and is trading UNDER $1



THERE IS ONLY ONE: FNMA
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obiterdictum

04/28/13 2:28 PM

#26641 RE: dragon52 #26637

Fact: The GSEs were delisted because the common stock traded below 1.00 for thirty days. If you have evidence to the contrary, please provide it.

Whether a reverse split would have made a difference or not is not relevant. They considered the move and did not take that option in the end for whatever reasons or limits were faced.

Fraud committed by banks in misrepresenting the quality of the loans they sold does not have much to do with talking about a reverse stock split today. If there is a relationship, please provide it.

Downsizing was not a concern in 2008. The conservatorship and bailing out with 700 billion as suggested by Paulson to the Congress was the only method considered at the time. See Paulson's 3 page plan below.

The current value of the GSEs, the lynchpin that they are in the housing finance market and system, the 17.2 billion in income in 2012, the 35 billion paid in dividends and the current reporting of 59 billion in DTA does not determine the pps of the common stock. Is that not abundantly clear? Check the stock price over the past three years. When was the last time the common stock closed above a dollar? 5/17/10. The common stock trades under a dollar now in 2013 despite the facts mentioned.

Thousands of companies of less size and importance in their markets trade at very much higher prices than Fannie and Freddie.

What answer do you have for this financial phenomena, for the ridiculously low common stock pps?

Is the answer, "It will trade ridiculously higher in the near future with the revealing of the May 9, 2013 quarterly report of profit and 59 billion in DTA?

AIG and the GSEs cannot be compared now since their corporations are fundamentally different (federal chartered in conservatorship vs. non-federally chartered, operating and onwed privately.

If and only if the GSEs incorporation is wholly and privately operated and owned, can it be compared. The future of the GSEs form of incorporation is uncertain. It could be like AIG. It may not be like AIG. If it turns out to be the former, a comparison can be made. The possibility allows it. There is no reason whatsoever to believe the future is as one thinks it. So the door is open until it happens.


September 21, 2008

Text of Draft Proposal for Bailout Plan

LEGISLATIVE PROPOSAL FOR TREASURY AUTHORITY

TO PURCHASE MORTGAGE-RELATED ASSETS

Section 1. Short Title.

This Act may be cited as ____________________.

Sec. 2. Purchases of Mortgage-Related Assets.

(a) Authority to Purchase.--The Secretary is authorized to purchase, and to make and fund commitments to purchase, on such terms and conditions as determined by the Secretary, mortgage-related assets from any financial institution having its headquarters in the United States.

(b) Necessary Actions.--The Secretary is authorized to take such actions as the Secretary deems necessary to carry out the authorities in this Act, including, without limitation:

(1) appointing such employees as may be required to carry out the authorities in this Act and defining their duties;

(2) entering into contracts, including contracts for services authorized by section 3109 of title 5, United States Code, without regard to any other provision of law regarding public contracts;

(3) designating financial institutions as financial agents of the Government, and they shall perform all such reasonable duties related to this Act as financial agents of the Government as may be required of them;

(4) establishing vehicles that are authorized, subject to supervision by the Secretary, to purchase mortgage-related assets and issue obligations; and

(5) issuing such regulations and other guidance as may be necessary or appropriate to define terms or carry out the authorities of this Act.

Sec. 3. Considerations.

In exercising the authorities granted in this Act, the Secretary shall take into consideration means for--

(1) providing stability or preventing disruption to the financial markets or banking system; and

(2) protecting the taxpayer.

Sec. 4. Reports to Congress.

Within three months of the first exercise of the authority granted in section 2(a), and semiannually thereafter, the Secretary shall report to the Committees on the Budget, Financial Services, and Ways and Means of the House of Representatives and the Committees on the Budget, Finance, and Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs of the Senate with respect to the authorities exercised under this Act and the considerations required by section 3.

Sec. 5. Rights; Management; Sale of Mortgage-Related Assets.

(a) Exercise of Rights.--The Secretary may, at any time, exercise any rights received in connection with mortgage-related assets purchased under this Act.

(b) Management of Mortgage-Related Assets.--The Secretary shall have authority to manage mortgage-related assets purchased under this Act, including revenues and portfolio risks therefrom.

(c) Sale of Mortgage-Related Assets.--The Secretary may, at any time, upon terms and conditions and at prices determined by the Secretary, sell, or enter into securities loans, repurchase transactions or other financial transactions in regard to, any mortgage-related asset purchased under this Act.

(d) Application of Sunset to Mortgage-Related Assets.--The authority of the Secretary to hold any mortgage-related asset purchased under this Act before the termination date in section 9, or to purchase or fund the purchase of a mortgage-related asset under a commitment entered into before the termination date in section 9, is not subject to the provisions of section 9.

Sec. 6. Maximum Amount of Authorized Purchases.

The Secretary’s authority to purchase mortgage-related assets under this Act shall be limited to $700,000,000,000 outstanding at any one time

Sec. 7. Funding.

For the purpose of the authorities granted in this Act, and for the costs of administering those authorities, the Secretary may use the proceeds of the sale of any securities issued under chapter 31 of title 31, United States Code, and the purposes for which securities may be issued under chapter 31 of title 31, United States Code, are extended to include actions authorized by this Act, including the payment of administrative expenses. Any funds expended for actions authorized by this Act, including the payment of administrative expenses, shall be deemed appropriated at the time of such expenditure.

Sec. 8. Review.

Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency.

Sec. 9. Termination of Authority.

The authorities under this Act, with the exception of authorities granted in sections 2(b)(5), 5 and 7, shall terminate two years from the date of enactment of this Act.

Sec. 10. Increase in Statutory Limit on the Public Debt.

Subsection (b) of section 3101 of title 31, United States Code, is amended by striking out the dollar limitation contained in such subsection and inserting in lieu thereof $11,315,000,000,000.

Sec. 11. Credit Reform.

The costs of purchases of mortgage-related assets made under section 2(a) of this Act shall be determined as provided under the Federal Credit Reform Act of 1990, as applicable.

Sec. 12. Definitions.

For purposes of this section, the following definitions shall apply:

(1) Mortgage-Related Assets.--The term “mortgage-related assets” means residential or commercial mortgages and any securities, obligations, or other instruments that are based on or related to such mortgages, that in each case was originated or issued on or before September 17, 2008.

(2) Secretary.--The term “Secretary” means the Secretary of the Treasury.

(3) United States.--The term “United States” means the States, territories, and possessions of the United States and the District of Columbia.



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ID Supermoney

04/28/13 2:56 PM

#26647 RE: dragon52 #26637

Show me any company that does over billions of dollars in profits and is trading UNDER $1




Wrong 2 stocks!!

FNMA and FMCC!!!


GLTA
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kex0414

04/28/13 3:16 PM

#26651 RE: dragon52 #26637

You see, once in conservatorship, it is treated like a company declaring BK Chap 11. It got delisted because of that.

And you are sure of that. It wouldn't be because of its PPS didn't meet Exchange requirements.;-)
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skidoo31

04/28/13 3:26 PM

#26653 RE: dragon52 #26637

BINGO !!!!
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kex0414

04/29/13 2:49 PM

#26743 RE: dragon52 #26637

it would not have made a difference. You see, once in conservatorship, it is treated like a company declaring BK Chap 11. It got delisted because of that.

Still giving false information I see. I have asked you about this previously and all I got was gibberish. So here's my request. Please direct me to the C.F.R. Title and Chapter (et seq) to which you are referring.

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The Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis (and subsequently, the Federal Housing Finance Agency) defines a conservatorship as “...[t]he legal process (for entities that are not eligible for Bankruptcy court reorganization) in which a person or entity is appointed to establish control and oversight of a company to put it in a sound and solvent condition. In a conservatorship, the powers of the company’s directors, officers, and shareholders are transferred to the designated conservator.”

Ccompared to a receivership, a receiver is a neutral party appointed by the court to take possession of property and preserve its value for the benefit of the person or entity subsequently determined to be entitled to the property. CJS Receivership § 1. Under the Federal Deposit Insurance Act the receiver is charged by law with the duty of winding up the affairs of a bank or savings association or branch of a foreign bank. 12 U.S.C. § 1813(j)
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beambe

04/29/13 3:01 PM

#26745 RE: dragon52 #26637

Take a look at the past 4 Qtrs and how this is changing... and with word that 1st Qtr will also be profitable, this will not be kept down any longer. Show me any company that does over billions of dollars in profits and is trading UNDER $1. Please.