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throwerw

11/03/12 2:54 AM

#2870 RE: fat baboon #2869

Great to see that people are finding this board!

Probably better for somebody else to answer the questions about Nanyang - MNT or Owl?

Keck Seng has been listed for a long time. In the past there may have been a need to raise capital for the macau or vietnamese projects, but they haven't issued equity since then. Most of the cash that's there now has come from the macau flat sales and vietnamese hotels. We know they are good capital allocators and patient for the right deal to come along, so cash will naturally build up in bull markets when not many great opportunities appear. Many real estate markets around the world are pretty bubbly, maybe not Japan and parts of the U.S., interest rates are at historical lows, and we haven't had a real recession in a few years. It made sense to borrow at really cheap rates for property purchases in Japan and the US, both to hedge the currencies and to juice the gains. The way the do it is not very risky as the income from the properties is well over their interest expense, they buy after prices have fallen sharply, and they have the balance sheet to back it up if need be. The leverage at the corporate level is also likely a currency hedge.

My understanding is that some people just have a personal goal of running a public company. I think it's a point of pride for the family. It's also not so easy to go private on the HK market. A privatization proposal can be blocked by 10% of the minority shareholders. In this case, that's only about 2.5% of the total shares outstanding. It looks like 3 or 4 funds own enough to cover that, so it wouldn't be too hard for them to unite and demand fair value. So then you have to ask, what is the best use of the family's capital? To buy an additional stake in all of their properties at fair value, or to look for more undervalued opportunities?

Please send me the interview, I would be very interested to read it! willthrower at gmail
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MNT

11/19/12 11:12 PM

#2884 RE: fat baboon #2869

Nanyang/ Keck seng

Agree HK lsiting rules dont protect minority investors. But indeed the 10% hurdle is enough but often also not enough given various circumstances. For example the takeover done by Richard Li for PCCW.

To answer your questions:

1) I have troubles gettign my hand around it as well. My guess is they have to comply with the Basel issues which affects their financing costs. So after paying out huge dividends, Basel III is kicking in 2013 and they have to raise money to shore back an even higher capital pool to support the now higher Risk weighted assets.

2)I did a analysis of the banks for Will in a report posted on his website. You may find that helpful. The bank ( i have never heard of it too) is actually one of the larger units in Taiwan, I confirmed it while travelling there earlier this year. The family is closely related to the Nanyang board (Yung family) if you read their annuals and hence the investment offer. The stock is not listed and traded OTC in HK/Taiwan but has credit rating affirmed (though not to be fully trusted)

Link here: http://www.scsb.com.tw/english/2011.pdf

3)They are public due to their history and I suspect they are not comfortable being listed. I know the folks in the firm, also worked with them briefly, they are honest, conservative and opportunistic guys. Definitely not fradulent. Reason being if u dig their annuals, you will realise the immense scope of assets they own around the region, largely in the place where I am at, Singapore. As well as Malaysia and Hong kong.

4)Not sure on what you really mean here but from my experience, they shun from leverage.

I dont mind reading more about the interview, could you PM me or something. Im also keen to get to know you and find out more about your adventures. I need to get out there and do something more.

Cheers
MT
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MNT

11/20/12 1:28 AM

#2886 RE: fat baboon #2869

Nanyang dividends

Did a quick check, HK doesnt levy witholding tax on dividends.

http://www.deloitte.com/assets/Dcom-Global/Local%20Assets/Documents/Tax/Taxation%20and%20Investment%20Guides/2012/dttl_tax_guide_2012_HongKong.pdf

Check roman 4.1