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littledevils90210

08/06/12 4:29 PM

#12214 RE: marayatano #12212

marayatano: good stuff but can i rewrite your post. Just a few corrections and you let me know what you think...


the ownership in lehman is the same because there is a no change of ownership in effect. Creditors are taking advantage of re-allocation from lower creditors to higher creditor or tax attributes until you are done liquidating or the debt is discharged.



In other BKs, provided there is a viable business, a new entity emerges with new shares trading owned by debt holder, old equity or a combination thereof. These holders can see the new securities in their stock accounts. They can buy more, sell or trade on the pink/otcbb/NYSE/NAsdaq, etc. These new holders are also getting interst/dividends, etc. depending on what security type they have.

Lehman:

In Lehman, same holders, same entity, same debt, same everything = a way to re-organization. The holders see the same security with the same "Q" at the end of their security trading in the greys (or their shares are lock up). Lehman = no divies, no interst payments, just recovery payments until there is a discharge and the bankruptcy is completely closed out after paying the default amount agreed upon in the POR.


There is a big difference here.

imo



You bet. Words are key and have meanings....go figure...devil





Jimzin

08/06/12 4:31 PM

#12215 RE: marayatano #12212

Gentlemen there is a Plan of Reorganization (POR)...not telling you anything new with that one. Yes LEH is liquidating some assets to pay off the $65B owed, but this is no liquidation, IMO.
All data points point to LEH following the POR.

My big question is can LEH still pull some kind of shenanigan after $65B pay-out and cancel out the CT, preferreds and common equity that is either trading on grays or locked up in the one big share.

would love to hear from the board on the likely scenarios on that subject. Isn't that really all that matters? are we secure or not...


cheers