Spock, I remember when you joined the dance, many tried warning you, but you ignored. Most of us that have been here way longer than you pretty much got conned over and over again. There is about a 5% chance that Philly inks the deal and we move up, but the sad reality is we probably run out of oxygen before that happens. Shiva puts this POS under bankruptcy protection, stiffs the creditors including us poor saps, and starts a new company. If you do some DD, you will see that Tivus is not Shiva's first dance.