Replies to post #3338 on Zeev's Turnips Talk Politics (ZTTP)

[ergo sum]

Mlsoft

Try reading this sight.

Charles Darwin understood this universal principle. It's common sense. That's why he cautioned biologists not to call later evolutionary stages "higher" (9). (However, the word "higher" in this forbidden sense appears half a dozen times in the first edition of Darwin's Origin of Species (10).)
http://www.panspermia.org/seconlaw.htm

Ergo Sum

[brainlessone]

mlsoft, i do not know what you want to call it, but if you grow bugs in ampicillin broth a few times, you kill the ones that get killed by the drug, and the ones that somehow survive dont die. the ones that dont die have a different genetic
structure than the ones that died. and you can take this stuff of life and stick it into a group of bugs that would ordinarily die and confer antibiotic resistance to them. The bugs in your gut do it every day.

darwin called this evolution or natural selection. its very easily confirmable. also works with peas and blue eyes and high density lipoprotein and various metabolic diseases and fava bean senstitivity.

I do not think you have anything against genetics. you beleive that it had to start from something other than the primordial slime.

did you read the article about the cloned 100 percent identical cat which had different fur coloration and a different personality? Joseph may have discovered this some time ago

[Math Junkie]

Mlsoft, you wrote:

"In simplest terms, the second law of thermodynamics states that over time, entropy increases as organized forms decay into greater states of randomness and chaos. Evolution states that over time, life evolves from a state of disorganized chaos into ever more complex and higher life forms based on random chance.

The two are not compatible."

If the coming into being of higher life forms destroyed entropy, that would be true regardless of whether it happened by evolution or through creation. So creation theory would violate the second law of thermodynamics every bit as much as evolution theory.

A more serious objection is how do you eliminate the possibility that the orderliness of complex life forms might come about at the cost of an even greater disorderliness of other types? Living things spend their entire lives converting orderly forms of energy into heat, which is a disorderly form of energy. After entropy ran its course, there would be no more sources of energy for living things to convert. There is nothing in evolution theory that says it will continue to work in the absence of energy sources.

[royg1927]

Mlsoft:

"---life evolves --- into ever more complex and higher life forms --".

Not Gould's view. Definitely not.

Evolution by chance, yes, but without direction.

Roy