Replies to post #29811 on Kraig Biocraft Laboratories Inc (KBLB)

[EMPATHY]

That's very informative.
Do you have anything in mind,out there, that you feel is worth investing in?

[es1]

This is why Henry Ford made a horse and buggy assembly line. Since what they had was "good enough". And who need silk sutures when we have millions of stray cats around and cat gut worked fine for hundreds of years. Hell, lets bring back leeches so we can drain the demons from our skulls. We must be possessed to think that if KBLB made spider silk anyone would want it.

actually, i did wonder why the garment industry would want cloth made of a product that wouldnt wear and tear much...sure women buy because of changing styles..but not all women...and certainly they would modify that a lot if the prices were too high....but men just generally buy when their clothes wear out..and thats when they might change styles...so the idea that people would have to buy clothes less often doesnt seem like much of an appeal to the garment industry..my guess is, they want their silk stockings to run after a bit so they can be replaced..and if the spider silk is weakened to anywhere close to that degree, then what is the attraction?..what is the benefit?

as for the medical uses such as sutures, there is no need for stronger sutures...and there is certainly no need for sutures that have ointment on them...when ointment is needed it is needed on a lot more surface area than is covered by sutures...and as for joints and such, what they make them out of now is just fine...they dont need to be as strong as steel or anything...besides that stuff would be years away...

I agree any type of medical device is years away. I guess we shouldnt even bother with it since it will take so long???

If KBLB can make spider silk from silk worms we are all rich. If they cant and it takes another year, the PPS will increase without it just from selling our "useless" 60% spider silk. If we succeed in creating a platform organism it will make spider silk look like chump change.

Given I have read your posts forever here mojo I think you know you are wrong here.

[ZincFinger]

It is more than a bit difficult to imagine where you got the idea that: "seems that some are intent on changing the focus a bit and starting to put forth the idea that maybe 60% spider silk would actually be better than pure spider silk"
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and decide for themselves the accuracy or lack thereof of Mojo's "paraphrasing".
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1) I was discussing that a version of silk with less spider silk protein (SSP) than Monster silk; to give a strength of 60% of spider silks (as contrasted to Monster Silk's 80% of the strength of spider silk protein would be a LESSER QUALITY than Monster Silk. The idea was that would fill the market for a silk for the silk garment and accessories industry with a silk that would still be very superior to silkworm silk (which is only 40% of the strength of spider silk) but not as strong as Monster Silk. The reasoning was that Monster Silk is strong enough to meet some of the needs of the less demanding high tech fibers. While such needs might not support the high premium price of pure spider silk that the high end tech products would support they would support a much better price than the silk garments and accessories industry would support. But if you sold the same fiber (Monster Silk) to the silk garments and accessories industry at the lower prices they could afford to pay, the lower end tech fiber producers would just buy it on that market at the lower price. So to get the maximum revenues out of the market KBLB would need a range of products including one of LOWER quality than both Monster Silk and pure spider silk, to provide the silk garments and accessories industry.

How you could have completely misconstrued that to be saying that "the idea that maybe 60% spider silk would actually be better than pure spider silk" is completely beyond me.

As I already pointed out, providing a range of versions of a product with varying qualities to extract the most revenues from a market is a dead standard practice with which we are all familiar (TVs, computers, automobiles are all examples we are thoroughly familiar with. I am at a loss to understand your apparent difficulty with the concept.

To make it simple: listed from LOWER quality to higher:

60% of spider silk strength (which woud equate to ~40% SSP)
80% of spider silk strength (~ 50% SSP)
Pure spider silk (100% SSP)

In no way was it ever stated nor implied the 60% of strength of pure spider silk was better than pure spider silk. In fact the whole point was the direct opposite: that it was of lower quality.

Note that even the 60% of the strength of pure spider silk would still be 150% of the strength of silkworm silk (which is only 40% of the strength of pure spider silk) despite your apparent misconception to the contrary.

RE: medical sutures: there are many statements in the medical literature indicating a need for stronger sutures. I would therefore be most interested in learning your basis for claiming that "there is no need for stronger sutures". Likewise for your contention that "there is certainly no need for sutures that have ointment on them" (actually the discussion was about antibiotic on sutures, not "ointment") A bit more attention to detail might go far towards improving the quality of the discussion.