Thanks, lou, I suspect my use of elipses(?), ie., "..." is for the latter, ie., "and so on". It is still apparent, however, per read on message #5097 that Siemens should have gotten into the 'low-end market' of the mobile phone industry as did Hop-on, and as Motorola NOW is apparently TRYING TO DO per the revelations at the French exposition... jmo, dc...