Hmm, alright, that sounded like a definitive statement to me as well. Interesting links that I posted last night, just food for thought then. One possibility. (And that yahoo poster you quoted..still is a fan I see. One word action was missed when I was typing out the info. In any case; Digimarc's breadth of many patents is being challenged in court. IV just paid them $36 million for licensing of said patents. Not the best use of their funds, IMO. PPS I think iHub frowns on reposting things from other message board sites)