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WithCatz

10/29/10 3:18 PM

#245990 RE: jhdf51 #245988

My personal opinion? Portions were good, portions were speculation, but any math I've seen done based on it is well beyond "Best Case" vs. Settlement.

A settlement, to me, is a compromise. Done right, it leaves both parties feeling that they didn't get what they wanted.
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Rustyl

10/29/10 3:25 PM

#245994 RE: jhdf51 #245988

Nice read. However,

By the time this is over....I still am afraid, that American greed will win and "All" my commons will be worth nothing.....or cancelled.

Any comments?
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Echo20

10/29/10 3:39 PM

#246004 RE: jhdf51 #245988

jhdf51,


Nice letter.


echo20
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Enrico Pallazzo

10/29/10 4:08 PM

#246036 RE: jhdf51 #245988

Honestly, that 140B claim seems pretty weak.

It's largely based on taking $18 billion in cash earnings, capitalizing at 5% discount rate and subtracting $220 B in liabilities.

Where to begin? The $18 billion is based on 60% of a supposed $30 B derived from WAMU assets, as indicated in Jamie Dimon's March 2010 shareholder letter. I just looked at said letter and see no such claim. I see a statement that MOST of a $33 B increase in REVENUES are attributable to WAMU AND increases in the JPM investment banking business. But revenues are not earnings (hello, interest & other operational expenses??), and MOST is not ALL.

Moreover, it's not clear how much of that revenue is some sort of unusual non-recurring gain that should not be capitalized.

In addition, 5% discount rate for bank assets in the fall of 2008 strikes me as ridiculously low. Discount rate reflects perceived risk, and perceived risk was through the roof.

I don't know what WAMU's equity was "worth" in fall 2008, even in a hypothetical world where JPM hadn't engaged in any shenanigans, but it sure as heck wasn't worth $140 billion. What was WAMU's peak market cap in good times, $40-$50 billion? I think best realistic outcome for equity is something like $5-15 billion, which would still be up to a 30-bagger, but nothing even close to $140 billion.

I don't know the precise law on this, but I assume that the standard is something like what an objective third party would value WAMU at at the time (during the crisis, when all assets were depressed), not what they are worth in hindsight.