I don't really know how someone can determine a valuation of a stock when there are zero sales, wonky stuff going on with the share structure, no sales plan and no financial pro-forma. On the last two, maybe there are, but this hasn't been shared with the investors. If I were a new investor, I wouldn't look twice at this convoluted mess. But I have a little invested, and the product concept is good. Frankly, the product is the only thing LCRE has going for it. But I don't ever see how the share price will ever reach what it needs to. I really hope that Jim pulls this together.