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01/08/05 9:44 PM

#3057 RE: BullNBear52 #3053

What of the more recondite meaning behind all of this goodwill?

For instance in the first example, Afghanistan, the United States wanted the Soviets out of Afghanistan so they could gain control of Afghanistan. Didn’t discussion of the trans-Afghan pipeline start almost immediately after or probably in private long before the Soviets left Afghanistan?

November 23, 2004
KABUL - Prospects for the trans-Afghan pipeline seem good, with the Asian Development Bank (ADB) indicating that it is set to launch a preliminary report on the US$2 billion project linking the vast gas field in Turkmenistan to Pakistan, through Afghanistan.

The earlier contenders for the project, first mooted in the 1990s, were US oil and gas company Unocal and its Argentinean rival Bridas. Both had initially agreed to pay $300 million to Afghanistan per annum as premium for using the land. But in December 1998, Unocal said it was withdrawing from the Central Asia Gas (CentGas) pipeline consortium for business reasons and would no longer have any role in supporting the development or funding of this project. Bridas, too, withdrew from the project, analysts suggest for security reasons. But now, according to insiders, there are strong indications that Unocal could be favored by Afghan officials to return to the venture, though the company's role is not exactly clear in the ADB-led project.
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=4628506&txt2find=afghanistan

Bull you just have done me a great favor, Unocal is mentioned in connection with the Afghanistan pipeline and China oil outfit eyes $17bn Unocal bid. I did not put the two together, that China wants to buy Unocal and that Unocal is involved in the Afghanistan pipeline until I read your post. This ‘Grand Game’ keeps changing.
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But what is equally or maybe more important is that Afghanistan is located at the mouth of the Persian Gulf and the Strait of Hormuz a MAJOR CHOKEPOINT that we have needed to control since long before the Soviet invasion. The following reference mentions Balochistan. Bush needs to control that chokepoint, while this may change, an amphibious attack was originally targeted against Iran from the Arabian Sea, with a provocative US blockade in the Gulf of Oman to choke Iran’s sealanes of communications
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China's control of global shipping choke points
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Balochistan is the home of Gwadar port a proposed gateway for the external trade of the Xinjiang province and a promising regional base for the Chinese navy.

This would put the Chinese navy next to Iran’s shipping lane the Strait of Hormuz. The Chinese have a considerable investment in Iran’s oil and gas. Bush plans on attacking Iran by choking the Strait of Hormuz.

Bush is going for a takeover of Balochistan setting up a military occupation as a means to contain Iran. This is a clandestine operation and the American public will as usual remain oblivious.
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Former Lahore High Court Bar (LHCBA) president Hafiz Abdul Rehman Ansari said that the foundation of Pakistan was laid in Bengal, but that very part broke away from the country. A similar conspiracy could now be witnessed to realise the American dream of “Greater Balochistan”, he claimed. He demanded that the government stop the operation, in which innocent citizens were being killed.
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Good is being done, and I agree the Arabs should do much more in the way of contributions but there are recondite, many times malignant reasons, for any countries’ actions including ours. Unfortunate.

This is about the United States wanting to control all of the world’s oil. Afghanistan is a factor in this heinous ambition.

Washington would also like to see Turkmenistan's gas diverted from Russian channels to the Baku-Ceyhan pipeline through the Caucasus and to a projected pipeline through Afghanistan to Pakistan.
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In a world that runs on oil, the nation that controls the flow of oil has great strategic power. U.S. policy-makers want leverage over the economies of competitors -- Western Europe, Japan and China -- that are more dependent on Middle Eastern oil.
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The U.S. is not interested in Caspian oil to supply its own internal industry. The U.S. is grabbing for control of the Caspian oil fields because other countries need this oil--and because the U.S. wants to control them. Other imperialist rivals--including Germany and Japan--are "energy poor" and need access to oilfields outside their borders. Most Third World countries are heavily dependent on imported oil.
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When Washington mounted its largest covert aid program since Vietnam to help the Afghan resistance there were reasons. In addition to those listed above Perle has stated he believes that the White House should contain the Kremlin rather than cooperate with it, has criticized the campaign against Yukos shareholders from the beginning.
http://www.sptimes.ru/archive/times/915/news/n_10814.htm

A step to containing Moscow would be controlling Afghanistan.

Thus we have installed our man in Afghanistan.
Originally UN officials estimated there were 9.8m eligible adults, and as the percentage registered climbed ever higher, the Afghan government and US leaders loudly praised this as an achievement for democracy.

When the total reached 9.9m UN officials in Kabul hastily upped the estimated total of voters to 10.5 million, arguing that, with no accurate census, the original figure could be up to a million out - due to the effects of war, civil strife and mass migration.
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Putin blasted 'double standards' adopted by the US and the European Union on 'democratic elections' saying that it is well known that in Afghanistan 'sacks full of ballots were brought in from neighbouring Pakistan'
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Thanks,

-Am

Reference:
The Soviet invasion of Afghanistan was a 10-year war which wreaked incredible havoc and destruction on Afghanistan. The 'shooting' war is generally held to have started December 24, 1979. Soviet troops ultimately withdrew from the area between May 15, 1988 and February 2, 1989. The Soviet Union officially announced that all of its troops had left Afghanistan on February 15.

Western analysts at the time also believed that the Soviet Union's presence in Afghanistan was motivated by a desire to bring its forces closer to a strategic choke-point: the mouth of the Persian gulf, the conduit for most of the world's oil supertankers. Afghanistan is separated from the Arabian Sea by the sparsely populated Pakistani province of Baluchistan.
http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:gbHvowtHq6oJ:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Invasion_of_Afghanist....

While this may change, an amphibious attack was originally targeted against Iran from the Arabian Sea, with a provocative US blockade in the Gulf of Oman to choke Iran’s sealanes of communications. Pakistan would be the base for mounting massive air reconnaissance and surveillance of Iran, while Iranian dissidents, backed by the US army, would launch land assaults from the Iraq-Iran border. Diplomatic sources say, the main body of the plan would remain the same, although component tactics could change.
http://www.thedailystar.net/2004/07/03/d40703100483.htm