enlyten, I doubt we will be able to keep this under wraps much longer... he is gathering more of his old team, the old bird is a wise one indeed... he has a pocket full of folks when he needs them imho.. I spent almost 4 weeks digging into each and everyone that was ever involved with this firm from the get go.. That is why I am here... If you have time and the patients you can find out a whole bunch just by using search terms. thanks for the update... brwtrpilot hey if you ever get a chance ask him how his friends dock pilings are doing.. :}