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mundo

03/10/10 9:19 PM

#190355 RE: awk #190347

Awk, You put the whole thing together so so easy. Thanks

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matt25

03/10/10 9:48 PM

#190363 RE: awk #190347

awk: I'm happy my skeptical post gave you the opportunity to remind everyone about the broader perspective of Wave's opportunity to enable a trusted Internet ecosystem and collect fees from service providers that benefit from the hardware security the TPM and Wave can provide. You are right, that is the bigger picture. I have not lost sight of it.

My concern, or skepticism, has to do with the potentially huge opportunity of Wave getting paid from being in the box as part of Google's Netbook, like they are with Dell. That is a monster opportunity, and is what Barge and the rest of us have uppermost in our minds--projecting here, I admit--when we salivate about the revelation that the TPM will be built into every Google Netbook. If we are there from the beginning, like with Dell, well, that's a propitious and profitable situation in itself, besides laying the groundwork for the after-market services Wave can enable, which are still not much in evidence.

I'll go so far as to say Barge will be right if Wave is paid to be in the box with Google as the software that turns on and manages the Google Netbook TPM. Instantly Wave becomes an overwhelming consumer phenomenon of global proportions and is publicly crowned the unsurpassed leader in the new world of TPM-centric (hardware-based) Internet security. If Wave is announced to be in this position, then no doubt they should have the opportunity to build on it by offering trusted services that take advantage of the TPM and would be looked to by the likes of Dell and Google to enable those. This is where I hearken back to what Steven has hinted at over the years, and what I hope Wave has engineered and has in the closet, waiting for the chance to spring on the world and catapult Wave's long-term earning power: TPM-enabled services.

So, yes, I get it about the services and the secure network and all the devices touching it. Yes, I get it. But my question and concern is, will Wave actually have its coming out party to the consumer as part of the Google Netbook offering? Will Wave be in the box?

That to me is a big question mark, and I refer you to the example of the other consumer juggernaut, Apple, whose computers do have TPMs in them but don't have Wave, and seem to have no need to have Wave.

So the question of a direct Google-Wave tie-in is one of good long term or great right away:
-No direct tie-in: It is good in the long run to get TPMs in consumer devices that Wave can later capitalize on
-Yes, direct tie-in: It is great immediately. Wave is in the box with Google, maybe even offering secure consumer services out of the box, and thereby validated as the consumer-TPM management and services company, with accompanying share price rocket ride.

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Elan Vital

03/11/10 7:11 PM

#190558 RE: awk #190347

Google/Chrome/Netbooks

http://digital.venturebeat.com/2009/01/01/android-netbooks-on-their-way-likely-by-2010/#disqus_thread

"Android netbooks on their way, likely by 2010
January 1, 2009 | Matthäus Krzykowski & Daniel Hartmann
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[Update: Since posting this story, we've had a lot of inquiries from readers, with questions ranging from whether Android is ready for laptops and full-scale PCs, why Android can't rely fully on Linux, and so on. See our follow-up Android FAQ post.]

The image above shows a netbook Asus EEEPC 1000H running on Google’s mobile operating system Android. Huh? You thought Android was for mobile phones, right? Well, as we’ve written before, Google is planning to use Android for any device — not just the mobile phones.

Besides writing as freelancers for VentureBeat, we also run a startup called Mobile-facts. It took us about four hours of work to compile Android for the netbook. Having done so, we (Daniel Hartmann, that is) got the netbook fully up and running on it, with nearly all of the necessary hardware you’d want (including graphics, sound and the wireless card for internet) running. See the images below for further impressions.

Here’s the significance: Imagine the billion dollar market at stake here if Google can make good on this vision. Netbooks are basically small-scale PCs. For Silicon Valley myriad of software companies, it means a well-backed, open operating system that is open and ripe for exploitation for building upon. Now think of Chrome, Google’s web browser, and the richness it allows developers to build into the browser’s relationship with the desktop — all of this could usher in a new wave of more sophisticated web applications, cheaper and more dynamic to use. Ramifications abound: What does it mean for the stock price of Microsoft? Microsoft currently owns the vast majority of the desktop operating system market share? In recent weeks, Microsoft’s Steve Ballmer repeatedly dismissed Android as competition to Windows Mobile.

Back to our experience in compiling Android for the Asus netbooks. It shows us that there is a big technology push to let Android run on netbooks under way.

Based on the progress we see in the Android open source project, we believe that getting an Android netbook to market is doable in as few as three months. Of course, the timing depends as much on decisions by the partners in Google’s OHA alliance and other developers contributing to Android, as it does on Google itself. It is these partners — including device makers and carriers — who decide how and when to adopt Android for different devices and markets. As we note below, Intel is one such contributor working on the adoption of Android to a notebook.

A mass production of the netbooks would be possible between three to nine months, depending on circumstances, two sources familiar with such matters told us. However, as we evaluate the progress of the various OHA projects, we expect conditions for a mass-market netbook to ripen in 2010, rather than in 2009. Right now a variety a of OHA members, announced and unnanounced, are working on projects to set up a sufficient ecosystem.

One important part of the ecosystem would be to have a set of well-functioning applications (an office productivity suite, for example). Google is mostly leaving applications development for Android to third parties (applications which run in the browser like Google Docs being the notable exception). At the rate things are going, we don’t see enough of these third parties developing applications for Android netbooks in the next 12 months. There have been recent predictions about Android netbooks appearing in 2009
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