Everyone is out of touch that is in disagreement with you. Now the entire audience at the ISOBM was out of touch with reality? No way did Dr Moro stand up and have the audacity to proclaim recaf as the miracle protein. That description was bestowed upon recaf by the chairman of the ISOBM, and he was, and has been quoted as such, because it is an endorsement. Isn't that the thing you have been harping about? What about Drs. Gold, Abelev, Sell, Burger, and Walsh? I guess they were strong-armed, too.