and nick, much of what goes on here hinges on whether (even though Infineon did it just fine for themselves) whether other TPM enabling softstuff e.g. CSP is oh-so-hard to develop (infineon not included) or whether Wave has a solid niche (i.e. it is much too hard for other to develop/except for Wave and infineon that is). Its the sort of thing that might allow one to realise where gregs is coming from.