around that-I know. i read a lot about the companies I invest in first,but still have a hard time figuring out the numbers when they file. plus these pennies seem to have different numbers being put out about the number of shares o/s etc..pr`s and pinksheet.com seem to alomost always be different.then people argue about which is right. I mostly read up on peoples posts who seem to have a good idea about the numbers and ride their coat tales..but don`t book anything on what people say on these boards.and I certainly don`t make any decisions based on what they say. I`m glad to have places like this to get different opinions and points of view. everyone has to start out somewhere,I`m a fireman-not a day trader.