???? Good questions. Providian isn't theirs anymore, and the wind farm interest isn't worth enough to put the commons in the money ( I know that much), and one also has to take into account that when someone is selling assets because they basically have to, then all bidders involved are going to go low. Some claim that the subs are worth "HUGE BILLIONS" , but no past filings show that, and certainly neither do any recent filings.
ok, NOW I have to try and get some sleep......