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sgolds

08/13/04 6:42 PM

#42205 RE: upc #42201

upc, no risk, no rewards! You would choose the slow death over the prospect of glory.

Besides, reducing risk was built in by combining the experiences of IBM and AMD.
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subzero

08/14/04 2:43 AM

#42217 RE: upc #42201

"Intel's Xeon-based workstations are much faster than workstations based on AMD's Opteron when it comes to heavy multitasking ...

the Opteron system took an average of 15 percent longer to complete the tasks than the Xeon. In some cases, most notably client/server workflow against a MAPI message store, the Opteron took over 30 percent longer.
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Time for you, dougie, to organize your AMDFanboy Vigilantes and attack the Infoworld Authors - and get them to drop any benchmaks such as multitasking - that are dominated by Intel's CPUs.










http://www.infoworld.com/article/04/08/13/33TCworkstation_1.html
Workstation showdown: Xeon vs. Opteron

Intel's Xeon-based workstations are much faster than workstations based on AMD's Opteron when it comes to heavy multitasking
 

 

By  Wayne Rash ,  Randall C. Kennedy
August 13, 2004 

In business, dual-processor workstations are the trucks of desktop computing. Pickups aren't very glamorous, but when you need to move lots of stuff from one point to another efficiently, glamour isn't the point. You need a truck.
Sure, you can get computers that are snazzier, have faster clock rates, and sport cool accessories, but as fast as they may go, they can only do one thing well at a time. These dual-processor workstations are designed to perform many processes at the same time and to work quickly and efficiently.

For this reason, we were intrigued when IBM offered up its new dual-Opteron IntelliStation A Pro workstation for a test. The hype on the street had been singing the Opteron's praises for some time. According to its proponents, the Opteron was the greatest thing since night baseball; curmudgeons that we are (though we do like night baseball), we weren't so sure.
So we decided to pit the Opteron against its primary rival, Intel's tried and true Xeon. We asked MPC to send over the workstation version of its NetFrame 600. This platform, designed initially as a server, can be ordered in a workstation version with a high-end video card and an attractive beige case.

The NF 600 sports two 3.2GHz Xeons, a gig of memory, and some very fast SATA hard disks. This matched nicely with IBM's SATA drives, although the IBM A Pro had 4GB of memory.
Then, just to push the truck comparison one step further, we purchased a refurbished Hewlett-Packard xw8000 workstation with a pair of 3.06GHz Xeon processors, an ATA drive, and a gig of memory. After all, sometimes your best deal is to pick a used truck at the dealer if you need the capability and want to save a ton of money.

Load 'Em Up

Once we had the workstations in-house, we ran a series of tests simulating a real-world work environment and then testing the machines for their absolute best multitasking performance.

In the first series, we loaded up each machine with the full suite of commercial applications you'd expect to see used in the financial services or the content-production industries. This test included the full install of Microsoft Office 2003, Adobe Photoshop, and Premier Pro 1.5. We also installed Symantec's Norton AntiVirus 2004. We used the workstations to move through a defined set of tasks in manipulating still images and then in producing a movie starting with an original digital video. We timed processing wherever possible (these machines are so fast that Photoshop works with no discernable delay).

In the second test, we loaded CSA Research's OfficeBench test tool. Someone actually using these workstations would never have a completely clean environment, so we ran a test series with everything installed and Norton AntiVirus running. (We also ran OfficeBench on the clean systems.)

Next, we loaded up another CSA Research tool, Clarity Studio. With Clarity Studio, we simulated multiple, concurrent workloads running in parallel -- the kind of complex, data-intensive multitasking that's becoming commonplace in emerging workstation markets (see "How we put the workstations under pressure").

What we found was eye-opening. The Opteron machine outperformed the Xeons when lightly loaded with minimal multitasking, but once the real work started, the Opteron stopped. It was effectively shut down by the same multitasking load that the two Xeons performed with ease. In the clean environment, it still performed at less than half the speed of the older and allegedly less-capable Xeons.

Initially we suspected that part of the reason for the A Pro's surprising performance under heavy loads might have been due to the fact that the unit we reviewed was a late preproduction model. We brought in and tested a new production A Pro from IBM, which did come through with improved performance numbers.
However, to be fair, we updated the BIOS in the NF 600 and installed the latest drivers. It also showed an improvement in speed that almost exactly equaled the IBM's improvement, so there was no difference in the relative performance of these two computers.

IBM A Pro

With its 4GB of memory and Nvidia 1100 graphics card, the IBM A Pro should have been the ultimate workstation in this review. The vast memory resources make it a natural for the classic workstation environment where lots of applications need to run together in real time.

The A Pro has the usual IBM workstation case that opens easily to reveal a well-designed, accessible interior with a selection of PCI-X slots for easy expansion. As has become the norm in high-end desktops and workstations, the A Pro includes USB, IEEE 1394, and sound card connectors on the front panel and on the rear of the box. Video capabilities include support for dual monitors using DVI-I connectors.

Although larger (mostly in depth) than usual for a desktop computer, the A Pro would still fit on most desktops. It also slides nicely alongside a desk, with the optical drives and the I/O ports conveniently at hand. Clearly, a great deal of thought has gone into the ergonomic design of the A Pro.
Initial testing kept our hopes up that the A Pro would fulfill its initial promise. We used Adobe Premier Pro to create a movie from an original digital source, and the encoding process was very fast indeed. Operations using Photoshop showed no discernable delay, regardless of the filter applied or the operations attempted. We also ran Futuremark's PCMark04 benchmark, which is mostly single-tasking, and the A Pro ran slightly faster than either of the Xeon machines.

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By  Wayne Rash ,  Randall C. Kennedy
August 13, 2004 

When we moved on to the multitasking tests using OfficeBench and Clarity Studio, however, the Opteron showed its limitations. By the time we got to the tests that used heavy multitasking, the A Pro was running a lot slower. In its best case, the Opteron ran about two-thirds as fast as the least capable Xeon, the HP xw8000. Though it handles single-task processing very well, if multitasking is in your future, the A Pro is not the right choice.

MPC NetFrame 600

The NF 600 workstation is really MPC's dual-Xeon server with better video and a nice case. It uses an Intel server motherboard and retains all of the reliability features you'd expect in a departmental server. This includes hot-swap power supplies and fans, as well as front-accessible disk drives. It also means, however, that some workstation features (notably the IEEE 1394 port) are missing.

The NF 600's case also reminds you that it was born a server -- the cover slides off to the rear, just like its rack-mount siblings. Inside, the hot-swap, redundant, fan array, foam-mounted for sound isolation, reinforces the NF 600's server platform roots.

The PCI-X expansion slots are protected by clear plastic air baffles, and everything is easily accessible for quick, convenient replacement, even while rack-mounted. The redundancy and reliability features, as well as the heavy-duty construction, make this workstation much larger and heavier than the others in this test. You wouldn't want the NF 600 on your desktop.

However, the server-based MPC showed its mettle in our tests. The NF 600 was nearly as fast as the IBM A Pro even in single tasking, and it blew the IBM away in multi-tasking, despite the IBM A Pro having four times the memory.

In our real-world testing with multiple applications and tasks, the MPC was many times faster than the Opteron-based IBM. Even in our clean multitasking tests, the MPC was 30 percent faster than the IBM. It simply wasn't a contest. As a result, the NF 600 turned out to be the fastest workstation that InfoWorld has tested to date.

HP Workstation xw8000

We kind of threw in a ringer here. To get an idea of what a business could buy that provided both excellent performance and reasonable cost, we called Sabrina Bozant, who sells HP's refurbished workstations, and asked for a 3.06GHz Xeon workstation. She sold us one for $1,395 and added an additional processor for $549.
Installing the second processor was a simple task because these earlier generation Xeons had a smaller 512KB cache. Like the MPC, it has 1GB of memory and an Nvidia video card, if a lower-end one.

By choosing a refurbished high-end workstation, we paid about one third of the cost of the MPC and a quarter of the price of the IBM (a new HP xw8000 would have cost about twice as much as our refurbished model).

The xw8000 is beautifully designed for its intended use as an office workstation. It's small enough that you could use it on the desktop, but it will work just fine alongside a desk. The top-mounted optical drives are easy to reach, and the midmounted power button is also convenient. Unfortunately, USB, FireWire, and sound connectors are inconveniently located at the bottom of the front panel (there's also a full set on the rear).
The case opens easily with a simple latch to reveal a very clean design with minimal cable intrusion. You will need to remove a holder for the video card -- but not the card itself -- to install the second processor and perform other work inside the case, but this is a minor inconvenience.
For the most part, the xw8000 performed like the MPC NF 600, other than being slightly slower, which we expected from the slightly slower processor. Single-tasking tests showed that the xw8000 was slightly slower than the Opteron.
But also like the MPC, the xw8000 was much faster than the Opteron when multitasking demands grew heavier, and the xw8000 breezed through the most demanding tests that brought the IBM to its knees. A current model of the xw8000 with a larger cache would likely do even better, as would HP's just-released Workstation xw8200, which we'll review in the near future.
Xeon 1, Opteron 0

After all our tests, we found that the most demanding jobs ran best on the dual-Xeon processor with its ability to run hyperthreading. The dual-Opteron, although faster in less demanding environments, simply wasn't a match when the going got tough.

That doesn't mean it doesn't have a place in the enterprise, though; an Opteron-based system would be a good choice for tasks such as CAD, which is basically a single-task, high-performance-requiring process.

Xeon's speed is good news for financial services companies such as Morgan Stanley, Goldman Sachs, and Credit Suisse First Boston, which have long used workstations to deliver the massive computing power required to drive their trading operations (a single active trader can easily bury a top-of-the-line PC). In an environment where time literally is money, the improvements coming down the pike for the Xeon platform should be welcome news for those firms with heavy investments in Intel-based workstations. It also means that AMD will have to do some serious tuning before Opteron poses a significant threat to Intel in the high-end workstation market.

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HP Workstation xw8000

Hewlett-Packard, hp.com


Excellent  8.9

criteria
score
weight
Performance
9
30%

Scalability
9
25%

Manageability
9
20%

Ease of use
9
15%

Value
8
10%



Cost:
$1,944 (refurbished)

Platforms:
Windows 2000 or XP Professional, Red Hat Linux

Bottom Line:

HP’s xw8000 is a well-designed, very capable workstation that easily handles the heaviest workloads. It is available with single or dual Xeon processors running as fast as 3.06GHz and is designed for easy access and tool-free maintenance. It sets the standard for dual-processor workstations and bested Opteron in heavy multitasking tests.



About our Reviews and Scoring Methodology




IBM IntelliStation A Pro with AMD Opteron Processor

IBM, ibm.com


Very Good  7.7

criteria
score
weight
Performance
6
30%

Scalability
8
25%

Manageability
9
20%

Ease of use
9
15%

Value
7
10%



Cost:
$8,345 as tested

Platforms:
Windows 2000 and XP Professional, Red Hat Enterprise Linux

Bottom Line:
This is a very fast machine -- as long as you’re only trying to do a few tasks at a time. It’s well-designed, and access is easy and convenient. However, if you load it down with heavy processing, the 2.4GHz Opterons show their limitations and the A Pro starts to crawl.



About our Reviews and Scoring Methodology




MPC NetFrame 600 (Workstation version)

MPC, buympc.com


Very Good  8.5

criteria
score
weight
Performance
9
30%

Scalability
9
25%

Manageability
8
20%

Ease of use
8
15%

Value
7
10%



Cost:
$6,055 as tested

Platforms:
Windows XP Professional

Bottom Line:
The NF 600 is big, and it has the hot-swap redundant features you’d expect from a server. There’s plenty of room for storage and it includes a wide variety of high-end video cards and an office-friendly case. Unfortunately, its server roots also showed in its lack of an IEEE 1394 port. Its 3.2GHz Xeons helped make this the performance king.



About our Reviews and Scoring Methodology

http://www.infoworld.com/article/04/08/13/33TCworkstation-sb_1.html
How we put the workstations under pressure
Loading up the HP, IBM, and MPC workstations involved lots of parallel workloads
 

 

By  Randall C. Kennedy
August 13, 2004 

Enter the workstation: designed for concurrent multiprocessing, workstations are rugged and reliable, with multiple, symmetric CPUs and gobs of memory to power through even the toughest workloads. You need to really load these machines down before their relative merits begin to surface, and that means generating concurrent workloads that exercise a variety of OS and application subsystems.

  
  

For this review, we did just that. I utilized one of my favorite test tools, Clarity Studio from CSA Research. Using a combination of parallel workloads -- client/server database (specifically, ActiveX Data Objects), workflow (MAPI), Windows Media playback, and Windows Media encoding -- I generated a hailstorm of CPU and memory activity.
I then scaled these workloads on each system, increasing the number of concurrent tasks as well as their complexity, all the while tracking the systems' performance and health through various internal and external metrics counters.
The net result? Despite a great deal of hype, AMD's 2.2GHz Opteron 248 CPU -- as embodied in the IBM IntelliStation A Pro workstation -- doesn't fare well under heavy workloads. When compared head-to-head with last year's Intel Xeon platform, a 3.2GHz/533MHz Front Side Bus model represented here by the MPC NetFrame 600, the Opteron fades as the workload level increases.
In fact, across the range of tests, the Opteron system took an average of 15 percent longer to complete the tasks than the Xeon. In some cases, most notably client/server workflow against a MAPI message store, the Opteron took over 30 percent longer.
An examination of OS metrics data collected by Clarity Studio showed that the Opteron was definitely struggling to juggle all those threads. One metric in particular shed additional light on the results. The Peak CPU Saturation Index, which is calculated from a sampling of the Processor Queue Length counter as exposed by the Windows Performance Data Helper libraries, showed that, on average, the Opteron system had 16 percent more waiting threads in its queue -- a clear indication that the system was in fact CPU-bound and running out of processor bandwidth.
My interpretation: Hyper-threading support on the Xeon allowed it to continue to scale thanks to its ability to execute more than one instruction at a time. Once again, Intel's simultaneous multitasking technology -- where underutilized pipeline resources are shared to create a second, virtual processor image -- is looking like an ace in the hole for the company's workstation strategy.
The story gets worse for AMD when you factor in the newest Xeon processors from Intel. Preliminary results from two systems based on the new 800MHz FSB Xeon show the aforementioned average performance gap widening to nearly 50 percent (the MAPI workload, in particular, is now running 115 percent faster than Opteron), with CPU Saturation now 30 percent higher for Opteron when compared to the next-generation Xeon CPU (watch for our expanded coverage in an upcoming issue).