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jospatrick

11/16/08 1:44 AM

#2285 RE: dragon52 #2284

d~
nicely said. We're all in this community together and yes, sometimes we get caught up in our own euphoria but we know the risks and hope for the rewards; as a community.
~jos
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Chiron

11/16/08 12:00 PM

#2290 RE: dragon52 #2284

What about the analysts, mutual funds, etc etc that bought WM over $35? Where was the 'buyer beware' for them last year lol.

I think buying a Preferred stock that at a year ago was trading over $1000, and is currently under $10 is simply a smart move.
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itsallnutome

11/16/08 1:27 PM

#2292 RE: dragon52 #2284

EXCELLENT POST Dragon!!! Puts everything right on the table for anyone who doesnt understand the dynamics of this stock (ie ME)into perspective.
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Billiam_2

11/16/08 5:15 PM

#2300 RE: dragon52 #2284

Dragon, nice post. This is not a pinksheet company. It's all about assets. Always has been. Do we have enough money left over after debt is paid to fund all groups of stocks and at what percentage rate (meaning fully funded 100% or some lower level). Take WAMPQ if we come out of BK and are $500/s, then we got funded at 50%. As the company grows and profits and you continue to hold, your stock will climb accordingly. For those who hold commons (last to get funded), the company cannot just say to the judge "Gee it would be nice just to wipe the commons clean". This has been bantied about using the K-Mart example. The only reason K-Mart wiped out the commons was because they had no assets left to fund the stock. It became worthless and was discontinued. Remember stock holders are part owners of the company. If the company survives, we survive.
Now let's look at what we have in assets:
1. $4.4B in cash

2. $1.9B paid for banking business.

3. $20B in NOL (Net operating loss) worth somewhere between $7B-$10B. We won't be paying taxes for years or at least until we have earned more than $20B.It carries over from year to year for 5 years.

4. $32B reported in assets on the BK filing. Some of which are toxic sub-prime mortgages. Others are real estate, good loans, etc. So, take off $8B for the toxic stuff.

So, conservitively speaking we have at least $32B less debt of $8B, leaving $25B to come out of BK and reorganize. If $8B fully funds the preferred's then there is $17B left to fund the commons. That would be $8-$10/s for commons. Yes, this is a BK stock, but WAMU had to declare CH 11 BK simply to protect themselves after the FDIC did it's evil deed. I think JPM desperately wants to buyout WMI, I think the negotiating is going on right now. WMI is in a very strong posistion, it could be that JPM just can't afford to buy them out. Either way we win.

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dylyo

11/17/08 8:17 AM

#2322 RE: dragon52 #2284

"However, there is a lot of mis-truths in the post that makes me wonder if you've done your homework..."

really?
I totally disagree
You seem to be looking for all of the answers to every question in my one post
Totally impossible
I did not point out many things that fall short and dont feel like writing a book here


"I will at this point disagree with you with the pink sheet statements..."

Wow
That is not suprising
Isn't IHUB a pinksheet machine?
I am not suprised
anyone want any help with this one?
Read the history on lets see here
IVOI - part of IVOT
HCPC
JNIP -used to be JUNI
GSPG
EPTI -used to be VSUR
and on and on
all supported here very strongly at one point or another


"Bk stocks are bk stocks... wow what tongue in cheek... pretty obvious there.."

do I have to spell this one out?


"Let me ask you an honest question.... If WAMU Inc were to come out of Chap 11... What market do you think they could trade on? Would they be forever stuck on Pink Sheets? Don't think too hard... but think about what you posted, do you really believe that?"

irrelevant


"I really think that your post is thought out, however, not that well,"

Not a compliment by any means - am I stupid or something?



The post was written on the fly - inspired by the change in pace the past week and all the mirrored postings on all 3 chat boards this weekend

I still hold

I still read the DD

and I am still waiting

and I dont need to open a temp acct to compliment myself
like the "itsallnutome" acct seems to be doing


I look forward to this week

and the next few months of delays and "just one more week" excuses

:D

its all free shares now!