Well atleast one thing about Paivis is this. Looks like they have a history of running there companies into the ground. The good news is once they use that shell up and the price goes to nothing they change there name and start a new buisness shell and make great promises again. So maybe all this toilet paper stock i'm holding onto will transfer into something and I can get rid of it for more than pennies on the dollar that I paid for it. But seriously! Who's believing anything about this Thursday stuff?