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Koog

03/05/08 1:09 PM

#583748 RE: Newly2b #583743

Of course, I agree Newly:

I swear - by my life and my love of it - that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine. - Ayn Rand (Atlas Shrugged)
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phill

03/05/08 1:10 PM

#583749 RE: Newly2b #583743

Newly, nice 'tude; Herb Hoover would be proud <vbg>; but help me out here, please, cuz I'm slow. Why is there tax at all? Why isn't the forgiven debt offset by the capital loss on the property?

tia,

phill
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anyer1

03/05/08 1:50 PM

#583759 RE: Newly2b #583743

Social democracies will reach the same end point that China and Russia did.R&C learned. All the remaining presidential candidates are Socialists. It will just us longer to reach bankruptcy as it takes longer for democratic governments to totally take over the economy. It is happening as every year the goverment gets bigger and less efficient.No dummies left behind, a rallying cry for Socialists.
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twelvebuttons

03/05/08 5:27 PM

#583796 RE: Newly2b #583743

Newly - you couldn't mean these enterprising rascals!
Just think some of us knuckleheads still save money to buy a house and pay the man the moolah...dumb dumber, when will we learn? :)


Foreclosure-proof Homeowners

Tuesday, March 04, 2008 | 02:35 PM
in Credit | Economy | Real Estate

Jingle Mail?

Forget that! Its so 2007.

For 2008, let's try a little reverse financial engineering: Squatting in $3 million dollar waterfront mansion in Florida and paying nothing.

At least, that's a new and growing problem we learn of via MW in South Florida. MW is a local developer, and claims this has become "very serious." (I have been able to independently verify this with a local resident, who tells me the local papers are filled with such tales).

He writes:

"There is a very important phenomena that is occurring that has only been covered in an only "glancing" manner. Beyond the concept of "jingle mail" -- which suggests that folks who can pay their mortgages may just choose to walk away given the dramatic loss of equity due to housing's collapse -- consider the following: As a developer, I had stepped to the sidelines and rented beginning in 2005, because I was sure that housing was unsustainable and was bound to collapse; it took 2 more years for it occur.

Nonetheless, as I have followed several of the homes that my wife and I were interested in a few years back, they are all on the market now. What is shocking, that in each and every case, I have been told by brokers and banks that the owners, have ceased paying their mortgages in some cases for nearly 2 years and have continued to occupy these homes. Now, these are homes in excess of $2,000,000 in the very best neighborhoods in South Florida. Brokers have added that these buyers further complicated things by putting huge home equity lines on top of their mortgages and now have no possibility of selling their homes for amounts needed to cover their accumulated debt.

This may not seem like news, but understand what this means: There is currently an 8-10 month wait to get a court date to have a foreclosure filing heard in Dade and Broward counties. The bankers have non-performing loans on their books to the best heeled borrowers in multi-million dollar amounts with no immediate means for recovery; with a non-secured second mortgage in place, there is no possibility for a "short sale" that will satisfy all of the borrower's debt. They are reluctant to take a haircut knowing that they have the home equity debt still around their neck and are likely to frustrate any near-term sale.

There is no clean way to sell the home that would guarantee "clean title" hence a foreclosure is the only means to separate the property from the dead-beat speculator/squattor. Banks do not want to spend the $50,000 required to take a home through a foreclosure and clear the title -- only to put the house back on the market for a deeper loss afterwards. Most likely, they have not revealed these owner occupied defaults to their shareholders, thanks to the sheer numbers of non-performing loans on their balance sheets, and the daunting task of foreclosing on all of them. This is the ultimate seizure and full stop of the market whereby everyone is standing in a stalemate. As one broker said to me, "these bums sitting in $3,000,000 homes overlooking the water are likely to be left alone by the banks for 2 years before the banks even get serious about foreclosure."

So here is the difference between "walking away," these folks are doing anything but walking away, they are sitting on lounge chairs sipping martinis living cost free! (not to mention that they have ceased paying property taxes and insurance). I can only imagine what this market will look like in the coming years . . ."


My questions -why don't they turn the utilities off?
Why don't they hire motorcycle gangs to route these jerks out?


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