Sorry, but I'd rather not talk Israel with either you or brainless. You're both fanatics and incapable of constructive dialogue on the subject (imo). Have no idea what either of you have vested in it but it's obviously emotional and goes way beyond plain old politics.
Still you ignore the facts that Israel has from 1948 repeatedly started wars to grab territory.
There are serious proposals on the table to recognize Israel in the most influential capitals in the ME in return for a return to the 1967 borders.
That won't happen, because it would call for Israel to renounce its plans to retake all of ancient Judea and Samara even as they little by little grab all of the West Bank. Israel will continue to kill and annex territory and you will continue to claim that they have to, because Muslims want to kill all Jews.
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