thanks matt. i was kind of surprised to read the posts about snsorship also. seems alittle silly to me. i never even gave that kind of stuff a thought. i understand peopl not wanting to follow 2 boards. that is there choice. but sensorship? wow. were'd that come from? i don't know about jack or or jn but i have not removed any posts. and i would not have unless they were non cvia related advertisements. by the way, re wayne cyba, he was on silicon investor way back when you were fm15. a few years ago i guess. robin