Replies to post #2935 on NanoLogix Inc (NNLX)

[Hummingbird]

I have been busy, but now I return to post. In response to this message, I read over Dr. Botte's description of the chemical reactions necessary for the electrolysis. BTW, my area of specialty is biological sciences, but I have plenty of chemistry background so that this information is second nature to me. I have not yet read her publications, but I will soon.

So it seems that the first step in the electrolysis is the reaction of potassium hydroxide with ammonia. This is obviously the most important. What information is NOT given by her description is whether or not this reaction is *spontaneous*. If so, then yes, this would be an alternative hydroden prodcution process. However, I have a feeling it is not spontaneous, since the description states that this process could work with renewable energy sources, such as wind. This implies that energy is needed for hydroxide ions to react with ammonia ions. If this were true, than nnlx has an edge.

Besides, fuel cell cars still have problems. Fuel cells, right now, are fragile and have short life spans. Electric cars with electric motors, that feed off a grid, have proven better traffic vehicles. So the issue is producing electricity from hydrogen to feed into the grid, not just to power vehicles, but all residential and commercial buildings. Which process will be more effective? The microbes, of course. JMO

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[Hummingbird]

So one other thing I forgot. Even if the reaction is spontaneous, meaning that it does not require imput energy to occur, there's still the question of the *kinetics* of the reaction. If it's a fast reaction, then it will generate a lot of energy per unit of time. According to her theoretical description (which is always a liberal estimate, since reactions are never completely efficient in real life), one gram of hydrogen gas produced only releases 1.55 W per hour, (hardly any power at all). So .6666 grams of ammonia is needed to produce 1 gram of hydrogen gas. A problem with this is that, while .66666 grams of ammonia may seem like a small quantity, and one can say "we can easily use several kilograms of ammonia" (= several 1.55 KW/hr), the problem is that all this ammonia has to be dissolved in water. The amount of water necessary to dissolve several kilograms ammonia is more than what a gas tank can hold.

Also, water is heavy. It would take a lot of energy to haul around that much water.

Ok, well I'm open for discussion. Any scientists on board?

[parentsgratae]

Thank you for posting this link; however, if this breakthrough were an earth-shattering answer to our energy needs, then why not more specific projections as to how much energy is required for the generation of hydrogen and how much energy is released by the hydrogen. How much energy does it take to manufacture and transport amonia? With NNLX, the process involves microbes which do not need to be paid or manufactured but just fed...with waste water and biomass, food already being generated and present. As a former poster stated graphically...American is a playground of waste...
So at this point we cannot say that this technology represents competition at all. Just my view

[abew4me]

Competition? Perhaps. But if you build a better mousetrap they will beat a path to your door. That's why I recommended that someone from NNLX contact ARSC last week.

See my post #2897 and 2898. (Especially #2898)

Would be one heck of a coup de tat if ARSC switched their H technology to NNLX. BTW, ARSC was up 45% with this announcement. Imagine what would happen to the share price of NNLX if Bret could convince ARSC to switch their H technology. Won't know unless you try.