its, i guess, not a suprise that the proposal that i made earlier regarding introducing a shareholder initiative was shot down with mockery and ridicule. the point is not to "win" a vote, but to raise the issue. in terms of the positive news today; you all could give a crap... they could say god was investing in the company, and you would start calling him a pumper. it's funny that even when i offered a compromise, its all a big joke.