Replies to post #19893 on Alcar Chemicals Group, Inc. (fka ALCX)

[MrBigz]

Hopefully you are correct Jack.

If so,that would mean your post from awhile back (reposted below) might be worth looking into again.
Especially since the company below generates 9000 cubic tons of hydrogen by-product each year

MBL

Posted by: Jack E-T
In reply to: None Date:4/13/2007 3:31:32 PM
Post #of 18025

Another possibility...I have studied the web site of the Bus. park in Becancour. All of the available sites that are listed don't fit the size stated by Dr. C. nor do any have an existing building on them. So, to negotiate a deal for a lot with a building already on it, Alcar would have to negotiate with owners of an existing lot, not the managers of the business park.
One other posibility sub lease a parcel of a large existing plant that has unused area of there plant as most companies will overbuy land to allow for expansion. One that fits this idea is Socite PCI Chemi Canada. It is located on 180 acres, so Alcar's megar 8 1/2 acres may not be a mojor imposition, area wise. As a bonus, a byproduct of PCI's process is Hydrogen. It just so happens that alcar needs hydrogen for their process. A win win for both companies. No transport cost of hydrogen for Alcar, Captured customer buying your hydrogen. I have seen simalar type arraingments along the ship channel industry here in Houston

Posted by: MrBigLoser
In reply to: jerseyboy who wrote msg# 18030 Date:4/16/2007 8:51:23 PM
Post #of 19895

Société PCI Chimie Canada
675 boul. Alphonse-Deshaies
Bécancour, Québec, G9H 2Y8
Tel. : [phone]
Fax : [phone]
www.piona.com
http://www.piona.com/locations/becancour.asp

http://www.spipb.com/english/parc_industriel/details.php?fiche=44§ion=entreprise

Finished Products Annual Capacity
Sodium hydroxide 350 000 metric tonnes
Chlorine 310 000 metric tonnes
Hydrochloric acid 170 000 metric tonnes

By-products Annual Capacity
Gaseous hydrogen 9 000 metric tonnes

Raw Materials
Salt

Investment Employees
$200 000 000 165

Area
73 hectares

Background
First large company to be established in Bécancour in 1974.

Business Description
Products from the electrolysis of brine are obtained by dissolving salt in water.

Market
Chlorine is used in the purification of potable water and the manufacture of solvents, insecticides, herbicides, PVC, plastics and medicines.
Sodium hydroxide is used in the metallurgy, petroleum, paper and paint industries.

Environmental Protection
Société PCI chimie Canada has distinguished itself many times in the field of environmental protection.

Contact Persons
Pierre Ducharme,
Manufacturing Director - Canadian Operations [e-mail]
Michel Garant,
Engineering Manager [e-mail]
Claude Giguère,
Production Manager [e-mail]

[dtstx]

Hello Neighbor,

Been wanting to tell you I live next door for awhile (Baytown). Just didn't have the time.

I didn't want to intrude but just wanted to say you're mostly correct. The process is hydrogenated prior to preheat as you stated according to the flow diagram. It is my view an excess amount of hydrogen will be needed to ensure adequate conversion takes place. Should that be correct, then the excess, which is then recycled back to the front end of the process, will probably be analyzed to ensure an adequate supply is coming in as there will be a loss in the process. H2 would therefore not be a by-product of the process since it is introduced into it. Also I think to get H2 out of the water it would take a different set-up and not be economical. Alex did state his H2 source is green by the way.


Just my 2 cents.