No I perfectly understand the pitcher,that certainly messed with rodon. Now I don't totally like absolve the pitcher for failing to that degree either. But undoubtely that was a horrible play. And it is not that I get your point, but Rice might just be bad defensively. That wasnt from lack of effort, that might just be a bad defensive player showing why he is bad. I mean what I saw from DJ and Glyber against the mets the other day that was even worse in my opinion.