The point you make about the Egyptians not being Jewish is certainly valid.
As to how crucial Israel is to our defense, I imagine it is significant in some chess piece way that isn't always readily apparent to everyone. Which is probably amplified by oil in the neighborhood.
Too many moving parts to dissect on a chat board, I guess. Taking religion out of the equation seems a reach to me, though.
brooklyn13, A quick glance through the Hamas Charter sees both Jew and Christian mentions. In fact all 'non-Islamic believers.' There is a mention of the Zionist worldwide conspiracy bit. However, one quick glance saw a predominance of Palestine, Israel and the Zionists in Palestine. And the elimination of Israel. Perhaps a charitable reading could see that as meaning of Zionist Israel. Israel as a Jewish state with an agenda of Greater Israel i mean.
" However, if you take a look at Hamas' Charter, it calls for murdering Jews everywhere, not just in Israel, so maybe that's why they attacked Israel, but not Egypt, over all this."
Egypt i believe are basically believers.
Islam in Egypt Islam is practiced by 90% of Egyptians. Most Egyptian Muslims are Sunni and follow the Maliki school of jurisprudence, though all legal schools are represented. Shi’a Muslims make up a small minority. There are a wide variety of traditions followed and perspectives represented among Egyptian Muslims, from a historically strong adherence to Sufism that continues to this day, to Salafism, to a wide spectrum of Islamist political views. https://rpl.hds.harvard.edu/faq/islam-egypt
Surely that would be the predominate reason Hamas would not attack Egypt over conflict in the area. Looks according to the Charter Hamas sees Egypt as having been conned out of being as honorable and as devoted to Islam as they are.
Course Hamas are extreme sorta like in the ISIS mode. In fact, Netanyahu and others are saying Hamas are ISIS,
'Hamas is ISIS': Here's how we know Hamas and ISIS share ideological foundations and revere the same philosophical figures that developed them. By MAAYAN JAFFE-HOFFMAN OCTOBER 10, 2023 21:15 Updated: OCTOBER 11, 2023 14:54 https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/article-767627
but no doubt that would be argued by some in both camps. And by experts in neither.
Actually i have little real learned idea about it, yet the quick glance does not come up with a feeling the Hamas Charter calls for "murdering Jews everywhere" anymore than it could, i suppose reading it in an ISIS spirit, be seen to be calling for the murdering of all non-believers everywhere.
THE CHARTER OF ALLAH: THE PLATFORM OF THE ISLAMIC RESISTANCE MOVEMENT (HAMAS)* Translated and annotated by Raphael Israeli Harry Truman Research Institute The Hebrew University, Jerusalem, Israel, https://irp.fas.org/world/para/docs/880818.htm
Granted it is an interpretation. And, as repeated, mine was only a quick glance through it.
Noted also: Jihad is not seen as war by most believers
What is the Truth About American Muslims?
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What is the Truth About American Muslims? Misunderstood Terms and Practices
14. What does “jihad” mean? Isn’t it a “holy war”?
“Jihad” literally means striving, or doing one’s utmost. Within Islam, there are two basic theological understandings of the word: The “Greater Jihad” is the struggle against the lower self – the struggle to purify one’s heart, do good, avoid evil and make oneself a better person. The “Lesser Jihad” is an outward struggle. Jihad constitutes a moral principle to struggle against any obstacle that stands in the way of the good. Bearing, delivering and raising a child, for example, is an example of outward jihad, because of the many obstacles that must be overcome to deliver and raise the child successfully. Jihad may also involve fighting against oppressors and aggressors who commit injustice. It is not “holy war” in the way a crusade would be considered a holy war, and while Islam allows and even encourages proselytizing, it forbids forced conversion. In Islamic tradition, the form of jihad that involves fighting requires specific ethical conditions under which it is permissible to fight, as well as clear rules of engagement such as the requirement to protect non-combatants. Scholars have compared Jihad that involves fighting to the Christian concept of “just war.”
The variety of interpretations of Lesser Jihad, or just war, over 1400 years in many settings is a complex discussion.
Much of the contemporary misuse of the term “jihad” may be dated to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, when stateless actors began to claim the right to declare jihad. In Islamic tradition, there is no theological or political basis for this claim. Radical and extremist groups appropriate and misuse the term “jihad” to give a religious veneer to their violent political movements and tactics. https://www.learningforjustice.org/magazine/publications/what-is-the-truth-about-american-muslims/misunderstood-terms-and-practices
Am sure you knew that already, just included it as the word is used repeatedly in the Charter and too many reading could see it as meaning war.
And sire, to your "One more thing, then I'll be gone again, I promise." why would you say that. As always we do enjoy discussion and disagreement when pursued rationally as you mostly do.
You are good for us. For me anyhow. I might not have ever actually looked at the HAMAS Charter. You stimulate. That's mostly positive.
Israel apparently plays a crucial role for us in the Middle East and we're paying for those services.
I hear people say that all the time but this is a serious question that I don't know the answer to. What has Israel ever done for us? They're the recipient of the most foreign aid of any other country and what do we receive in return?
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