Replies to post #450373 on Tornado Alley (PROG)

[rooster]

If what trump did is illegal then they better arrest Stacie Abrams with him

[zab]

The Rule of Law was just handed out to trump, Republicans have a shit fit about a telephone call. Trump tried to overthrow an American election.

[newmedman]

Yes, this indictment is all about the first amendment. When a bank robber points a gun at a teller and yells "stick 'em up" he should go free because that's protected speech.

Excuse me while I go spit out my water that just went up my nose. OK I'm back LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

[blackhawks]

Which freedom of speech are you referring to? Falsely crying fire in a crowded theater is not protected speech.

Neither is promulgating lies about a stolen election with the intent of overturning the result of that election.

And, of course, you would not be arguing about infringement on free speech if it was Hillary Clinton being indicted on exactly the same charges.

Other than that, another very sound argument from you. NOT!

[arizona1]

his first amendment rights allows him to say so.

The indictment specifically says he had the free speech right to lie and he also had the free speech right to say he won. But what he wasn't allowed to do is to TELL LIES which caused him to ACT in an illegal way and knowingly pressure officials to lie for him. It's not about free speech, it's about the ACTIONS and BEHAVIOR he took afterwards, and that's what he's being indicted for.

What he didn't have the right to do was:

1. COUNT ONE: Title 18 USC 371: Conspiracy to Defraud the United States.
this count covers everything Trump did in his attempt to overturn the election: the fraudulent elector scheme, bullying Mike Pence to reject the certification, and sending that crowd, with their improvised weapons and that noose, to overrun the Capitol.

COUNT TWO: 1512(k) Obstructing an Official Proceeding: By conspiring to obstruct the electoral count on January 6.
this count covers the conspiracy to send that armed mob to the Capitol.

COUNT THREE: 1512(c)(2): Obstructing an official proceeding
this count covers the actual disruption of the electoral certification.

COUNT FOUR: 18 USC 241: Conspiracy against rights
this count covers the conspiracy to deny American citizens the right to have their votes counted.