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gilead23

05/14/23 10:22 AM

#105018 RE: jtomm #105017

SURG spent a bunch of time on it this weekend

The numbers are likely real and the economics are compelling. They basically are either break even on day 1 or make a decent profit on ACP, but then have an incremental monthly revenue of $30 at $15 gross margin as long as the customer sticks around. I did some spreadsheet calculations assuming a 12% discount rate and 90% retention, and the NPV of a customer is somewhere between $450 and $500. Do the math on that based on whatever your assumption is on their current customer count.

The problem is the ACP would need to be re-funded as it runs out of cash next year. I believe there is some verification that the service is being used so fraud seems like the lesser concern. The question is whether the program will just vanish when it runs out of cash sometime in 2024.

It’s more welfare statism than socialism like the lifeline program which has been around for almost 40 years.

SURG itself seems to have accidentally found itself at the right place at the right time with the existing in’s to bodegas and convenience stores in poor areas. Their competitors are having roaming salespeople travel from town to town setting up tents and getting 50 bucks a sign up. SURG for some of their sign ups is paying store operators $12.

Their historic business is awful, disjointed, low margin, and in my opinion not worth much although not necessarily scammy. This is a binary bet on the ACP sticking around. If it does say hello to 30 bucks a share If they can execute at all. If not it’s at least a 50% haircut.

Ideologically I’m opposed to this. I’m not opposed to making money in the world as it exists rather than the one I would like. In a nutshell the outcome here is all a function of watching the politics closely. If I thought this was a lock to continue on like say Medicaid I’d be loading the boat.

Knowledge is King

05/14/23 10:25 AM

#105019 RE: jtomm #105017

jtomm, this is one of the best posts ever on Savvy… well done!

gilead23

05/14/23 10:47 AM

#105020 RE: jtomm #105017

SURG btw sign up for the ACP service is through torch wireless not the main website.


https://torchwireless.com/

I did go through the sign up process just to see what would happen, and there is at least 1 problem. The second street address is a required field which makes no sense.

The message I got back was that they couldn’t verify my eligibility and customer service would “reach out”. What’s funny is I probably qualify. Due to my large cash position I have intentionally recognized my gains in retirement accounts and have very little invested in my taxable accounts other than some K1 stuff with non-taxable distributions so my official income is very low. I’m youngish, retired, and apparently qualify for Medicaid as well although I’m sure as hell not doing that. The entire country is a hot mess of graft, laziness, and totalitarian ideology rebranded as safety and freedom.

otcbargains

05/14/23 12:02 PM

#105022 RE: jtomm #105017

The list of companies that are acting as sales agents for socialism/globalism is endless. IMO!

We've taken care of everything
The words you hear, the songs you sing
The pictures that give pleasure to your eyes

It's one for all and all for one
We work together, common sons
Never need to wonder how or why

Look around at this world we've made
Equality our stock in trade
Come and join the brotherhood of man

Oh what a nice, contented world
Let the banners be unfurled
Hold the red star proudly high in hand


R,I,P. Neil Peart

littlejohn

05/16/23 12:55 AM

#105052 RE: jtomm #105017

Why not just post a number for immigrants

that may be given phones

and free service...

#1, #2, #3, #4...

Nothing else can ever really be verified...

Some company is handing out the

free cell phone to every immigrant...

Yellen may have to steal from an

account of a deserving U.S. Citizen

to keep that program going during

U.S. Debt Crisis...

A Liberal Regime that is broke will

invent new funding propaganda...

So we watch...LJ

bbotcs

05/16/23 12:12 PM

#105067 RE: jtomm #105017

jtomm: Are these the phones they give to migrants who come across the southern "border"? If so, the taxpayer is shelling out $30 a month per device? One purpose of giving away phones is to allow Big Bro to track the owner.