After the SummerMan posted this mega dump of information about EGOC/Pangbo Group to ihub he realized that some chinese characters do not copy paste well to IHUB.. therefore if you want the more complete version of this valuable post with it's multiple links you can find it on "the other board" where a lot of us reside. Can't post the name of that board here but most of you know and use "the other board". Good stuff for sure!~!!!