If the lube had been a remarkable alternative, the story would be different today. I feel it's over reaching calling Duffy a liar, the whole MOVYCHEM collaboration was probably very inflated by their engineers. The needs and demands required to move these products forward wasn't there. I'm and outsider, I have never conversed with Duffy. I'm evaluating every venture they've under taken, I'm not feeling intentional failures. They had expectations, I'd be willing to bet Duffy expected the PPS to be way higher than they're today.