GP answered your question already. "Production trials" was the theme of your other recent post, and that one I searched for the same term being previously used and didn't find it. So, it does sound like they may have passed some tests well enough to have moved forward. I'm still pretty skeptical but look forward to what KCC has to report. Tonight hopefully will show a new level of acceptance of our polymer. But if they are as far along as is thought by some, it is really time to show some cards. If not OFC, then when?